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Question: Who's Rory's Perfect Match?
Jess - 5 (27.8%)
Dean - 0 (0%)
Marty - 2 (11.1%)
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« Reply #2070 on: March 18, 2008, 07:51:30 pm »

I can definitely see your point about that.  And now that I think about, I suppose it makes sense that Rory eventually forgave him about the bridesmaids thing.  Or did she....?  Also it seems to me that if she really loved him and wanted a family she would have said yes to the proposal. But, obviously, she wasn't.  Because she's Rory, who cared more about her career, obviously.  But Amy S-P did say it wasn't really the ending she would have chosen had she known it was the series finale.  I wonder how she would have ended it...  Cry

I don't think she would have stayed with Logan for another year, including when he was in London and breaking up would have been so much easier, given the distance.  Not saying that long distance relationships can't work, just that if you're going to break up, distance makes it easier.  And, I can't imagine if she hadn't forgiven him, she would have stayed in a relationship that meant she'd spend more time apart instead of breaking it off and being single or finding someone close by.

And, I never believed that you have to want to marry someone - or be ready to marry them (which isn't necessarily the same thing)- and the same time they do to be in love.  I still don't think the reason Rory gave for not wanting to marry him then made sense, just like I still think it was out of character (one of the few times) for Logan to completely blow off an attempt at a long distance relationship.  But, I never got the impression that Rory didn't want to marry him ever
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« Reply #2071 on: March 19, 2008, 09:53:28 am »

Dani--You make so much sense!!  I love your posts Wink
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« Reply #2072 on: March 24, 2008, 04:05:37 pm »

Arg! Now I'm getting so annoyed living in England, as I STILL haven't seen season 7. Can someone fill me in on the gist of how she turned Logan down. Was it a case of ' I love you but I'm not ready for marriage'. From what I'm hearing about how Logan broke up with her, it seems VERY inconsistent to his character. This is the guy who bought her a whole coffee cart whilst trying to get back with her, I doubt he'd give up that easily. 
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« Reply #2073 on: March 24, 2008, 07:02:50 pm »

^ You asked for the Spoiler, so here is the transcript of their break-up scene. Logan surprised Rory with a public proposal in front of a large room of people that included Lorelai, Christopher, Emily & Richard. Rory was stunned and needed time to think it over. She gave her answer after the Yale graduation ceremony. Logan does not re-appear after this scene, not in this episode or in the finale.

LOGAN: Hey. Congratulations.

RORY: Thanks.

LOGAN: Yeah you did great -- no tripping, no dropping the diploma.

RORY: No, nothing like that.

LOGAN: I remember when I graduated. I was a little tipsy -- that’s a big surprise, huh? -- And I did trip, and I reached out and grabbed the robe of Marcia Hadley, who was so not the person to grab.

RORY: Logan… I'm sorry… I can't. I love you. You know how much I love you. I love the idea of being married to you... but... there are just a lot of things right now in my life that are undecided. And that used to scare me, but now I-I kind of like the idea that...it’s just all kind of...wide open. And if I married you, it just wouldn't be.

LOGAN: So, what? I go to San Francisco, you stay on the east, and we see each other occasionally?

RORY: Well, we can try long distance. We've done it before.

LOGAN: You really think that’s gonna work?

RORY: I think it would be hard, but...

LOGAN: I don't want to do that, Rory. I don't want to go backwards. If we can't take the next step...

RORY: What?

LOGAN: I mean...

RORY: Does it have to be all or nothing?

LOGAN: Yeah, it does.

RORY: But we could at least try.

LOGAN: What’s the point?

RORY: So...

LOGAN: So... [Rory hand the engagement ring back, Logan reluctantly takes it.] goodbye, Rory.

[Logan walks away, Rory looks sad but not crying.]
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« Reply #2074 on: March 25, 2008, 05:41:51 am »

Ouch!  It still hurts to read that.  Nothing like reliving it all over again, thanks Jim Wink  superstarmonkey, I’m really interested to hear your opinion on it as this is technically the first time you’re “seeing” it.
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« Reply #2075 on: March 25, 2008, 08:08:19 am »

^ Glad to oblige, Lauren! Poor suffering Headliners.  Cool  Aside from Rory's muddled explanation of why she won't marry him, the abruptness of the ending always jumps out at me. How many people (real or fictional) end a three year relationship in the blink of an eye?

I am also curious what superstarmonkey thinks about it. If she were merely a starmonkey i wouldn't care, but it's different with a superstarmonkey. Smiley I am surprised they have not shown season 7 in England (if i understand correctly). Mira informed me that it has been shown on tv in Belgium.
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« Reply #2076 on: March 25, 2008, 12:45:15 pm »

i hate watching that episode and occasionally try to skip to the finale! I cry everytime when he takes the ring back, i love the image of rory running into jess when she's in Iowa! it would be so wonderful, but yeah like that would happen!
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« Reply #2077 on: March 27, 2008, 11:24:57 am »

Superstarmonkey: here and ready!!!!

They have only showed up to season 5 in England Jim, unfortunately (and GG's is not even on a main tv channel so lots of people have never heard of it before) And they've only released up to season 3 on boxset over here. I had to get the rest shipped from Australia  Angry  I think season 7 might have come out there now so I'm gonna order it ASAP.

I found that scene ^ on youtube so I've been able to read the transcript and see how it played out. My thoughts:

They sure wanted their breakup to be short and sweet didn't they? I mean, Rory's lead in for the answer was even abrupt - Logan starts babbling, breaks in and says "I can't." Huh. No lead up but I guess she wanted to get it off her chest. I can understand that. I definetely see why Rory turned him down, even though it came out in sort of a gabbly mess of words. She loved him and wanted to be wih him but she had just finished college, world was her oyster, didn't want to be tied down just yet because they would mean she might have to limit herself etc etc. I get it. She probably could have explained her side better - it did seem like turning down the proposal wasn't that big of a deal, and she thought Logan would take it well. Hate to break it to you, Rory sweetie, but NO ONE would taken a refusal well. Where was the emotion on Rory's side? Maybe this is all down to Alexis' acting though. *shrugs*

Logan. Oh dear dear Logan. He may not be my favourite character (though i do like him) but I have to say he is certainly is one of the ones which has had the best character developement and is one of the most well-rounded characters on the show. I get his point about not wanting to move backwards but, really, he moved to LONDON  - a whole OCEAN away - and they didn't break up. He wanted to try the long distance thing then. And yet he wants to break up with Rory when she suggests long - distance again. Ok, i know doing long distance twice would be hard but I really think that usually Logan would have not let go that eaily. Logan is a lot of things, but one of those things is not a quitter. Heck, even when he and Rory broke up in Season 6 he was trying to get her back within no time. This all seems quite OOC character and THAT, my friends, is down to sloppy writing.

I know Rory and logan needed to break up. Rory needed to end the show free, single with the whole world and it's opportunities laid out before her without her having any commitments. Totally right they should have broekn up. but shuold they have broken up in that way? Heck no. You don't end three years of your life together by a "I can't marry you sorry...ok then, bye." I haven;t seen the episodes before this but as far as I can tell there was no leading up to this. Was there any fighting between them? Any case of the enevitable? Taken Dean and Rory season 5 - as much as they tried both of them KNEW deep down it wasn't going to work, they knee the evevitable breakup was coming. But neither Logan or Rory thought their relationship was going to end - yet it did.

Where was Rorys pleading for him to stay? Where was Logan's persuasion about why they should get engaged? Where was the argument about this? If Logan wanted Rory to marry him so much, why did he not make a big deal out of her refusal? it was like "Oh ok then, I guess we won't be together then. We've been through so much together in 3 years and still stuck it out but, oh well buh bye". And Rory, if she stil loved him and wanted to be married to him SOMEDAY why didn't she telll him that he could propose again in say, 2 years. Why was she so quick to let go of something she still wanted??? ARG, THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

In conclusion: I like that they broke up. I didn't like how they broke up.
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« Reply #2078 on: March 27, 2008, 01:38:01 pm »

^ Dang, i have nothing to say about the post by the monkey who is a superstar, except that i agree with everything she wrote, right down to the conclusion: I like that they broke up. I didn't like how they broke up.  Smiley

Oh, maybe the one thing Wink is that i don't think the problem with the break-up scene had anything to do with Alexis' acting. I blame it all on the writing. Even later in the episode and in the "Bon Voyage" finale, which came next, there was not the kind of heartache you'd expect after a break-up of a long relationship. But it apparently was not written into the script.
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« Reply #2079 on: March 27, 2008, 03:04:29 pm »

I'm glad my user name gives you so much joy  Cheesy

Glad my interpretation makes sense though, it wasn't just incoherent ramblings by a girl who hasn't even seen season 7  Wink
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« Reply #2080 on: March 28, 2008, 12:56:33 pm »

^ Actually, it was a remarkably coherent rambling about a sequence that barely holds together. Their relationship had a lot of soap opera ups-and-downs but for the most part Logan's character was coherent and their relationship had some sense to it. When Rory last met Jess (in Philadelphia), it ended unpleasantly but it had far more coherence. Same with the final break-up with Dean in season 5.
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« Reply #2081 on: April 07, 2008, 01:49:11 pm »

i think i agree that Marty would be cool with rory and that would be a weird twist on gg if the show returned with a season 8.  but i loooove her and logan together.  sure hes made some mistakes but he proposed so he obvesouly cares about her and loves her.  i wish she said yes so badly.

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« Reply #2082 on: April 08, 2008, 01:04:59 am »

i think i agree that Marty would be cool with rory and that would be a weird twist on gg if the show returned with a season 8.  but i loooove her and logan together.  sure hes made some mistakes but he proposed so he obvesouly cares about her and loves her.  i wish she said yes so badly.

I liked her with Logan but i am glad she didn't say yes. If she did say yes, i would be so disappointed to say the least. Rory had big dreams her whole life, she worked so hard for them and it would be a tragedy to see her through her dreams away. She would have regreted it for sure.
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« Reply #2083 on: April 08, 2008, 02:55:51 pm »

Why would marrying Logan have ended up with her throwing her dreams away?  I've really never understood that reasoning.  If the proposal they wrote wasn't designed to lead to a break up, I think Logan would have been very supportive of her traveling on assignments and coming home when she could.  Like Superstarmonkey said, his behavior in Unto the Breach just wasn't in keeping with how he was before.  There was nothing up to that to suggest that he would say, "I can work in London and then in New York and do something while you live back home, but when you want to go off and do your thing, you'd better think twice, missy.  You're staying in the same city, and you can forget about any foreign correspondent dream."

I disagree that she had to be single, but I do agree that if they were going to make her single, they should have found a better way to lead up to it.  And, no, not unless you expect a couple to have a perfect relationship, there wasn't any foreshadowing, at least from my view.  I don't know how much you want to know before you see it, so I won't go into details, but none of the fights seemed to be deal breakers, and setting aside some viewers issues, Rory didn't act like they were deal breakers.  Besides which, when the break up came, it came from Logan anyway - acting out of character.  And, the most aggravating is, two episodes before the break up (Hay, Bale, Maze) seemed to be setting them up for ending happily.  They discussed their future together and he even made peace with Lorelai.  I mean, come on.  If they were going to do it, it would have been better to have it happen while he was in London.  Have the distance be too much then, before they showed that they handled it just fine.  Have them find out that they were in such different places (Rory still in school, Logan in the working world) that they didn't have anything in common now.  Not just a few episodes before the end, "Whoops!  Rory's still got a boyfriend.  Quick, get rid of him.  Doesn't matter how.  He'll propose, she'll say no, and that's all she wrote, folks!"
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« Reply #2084 on: April 15, 2008, 07:28:43 pm »

I just started watching Gilmore Girls this year. But (lucky me!) I got to watch it on season DVDs, in order. I can say that I have literally seen every episode.

Anyway, on the subject of Rory's boys, I have to say that Jess was the ULTIMATE guy for her. They had undeniably amazing chemistry--he loved books too (no other guy in her life ever shared that), he always tried to take care of her, and he knew her better than any of the others. He never verbally abused her like Dean did and he understoood her so much better than Logan did. It was so true what he said in the last episode of the 4th season--they were meant to be together. *SPOILER* I love it that the last few episodes of the 7th season leave her open relationship-wise. Who knows but that she and Jess could have had their happy ending? After all, she is traveling around the country, isn't she? And who's to say that, during that traveling, she doesn't ever end up in, say, Philadelphia Wink?

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