Emily Gilmore / Kelly Bishop Appreciation

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I think those are some really good points by SIDNEY about Emily on some level using Rory as leverage to stay in Lorelai's life, or even control it, despite also loving Rory very much. Emily also saw Rory as potentially becoming part of her own Hartford world and that was often part of her conflict with Lorelai. The cotillion is a good example and plenty of others. I think Emily genuinely wanted Rory to do all the things that Lorelai did not do. And for that period in season 6 Rory did temporarily transform into Emily Junior, when she became part of the DAR.

I don't quite agree that Emily's vulnerable side is "the real Emily". I think it is part of who she is, but 95% of the time we were seeing the tough, controlling Emily and that has to be considered the real Emily if anything is. Much of her controlling attitude came out of her relationship to Lorelai, but i think she had that attitude most of the time. Consider her tyrannical manner with her servants or her sometimes snarky attitude towards her so-called friends in the DAR.

[SIDNEY]

Emily also saw Rory as potentially becoming part of her own Hartford world and that was often part of her conflict with Lorelai. The cotillion is a good example and plenty of others. I think Emily genuinely wanted Rory to do all the things that Lorelai did not do. And for that period in season 6 Rory did temporarily transform into Emily Junior, when she became part of the DAR.

VERY TRUE and what proves that is in season 6 when Rory began to act like Lorelai , Emily Got angry and said " when YOUR FATHER comes home we will talk about what you did "  . . then Rory said : " you mean my GRANDFATHER !!! "

Also Emily feels she has lost Lorelai so She tried so hard not to lose Rory ( although I admit I don't understant the definition of loss by Emily's dictionary )  anyhow i was saying she needed not to lose Rory out of her pride because it will make her feel useless .

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...in season 6 when Rory began to act like Lorelai , Emily Got angry and said " when YOUR FATHER comes home we will talk about what you did "  . . then Rory said : " you mean my GRANDFATHER !!! "
Also Emily feels she has lost Lorelai so She tried so hard not to lose Rory (although I admit I don't understant the definition of loss by Emily's dictionary)  anyhow i was saying she needed not to lose Rory out of her pride because it will make her feel useless .

lol - i forgot about that Emily quote, a good one - and there are so many! Another thing it shows is that Emily would be destined to make the same mistakes trying to control Rory that she made with Lorelai. Emily is so stubborn and set in her ways that she never learns. And i totally agree about the idea of not wanting to feel useless. I forget the exact episode, but i do recall her talking about that, and how her life does not have much in it.

I think Emily's definition of "loss" has more than one meaning. One is losing control. I think the other is the "softer" side, where she really does need to cling to her family. That especially came up when Richard was sick. It also came up when she and Richard separated. As you mentioned on a previous post, she tried going through the motions of dating but knew she needed and wanted Richard; they are like two sides of the same coin.

I always got a kick out of watching Emily tremble in the presence of Gran/Trix/the Original Lorelai. The mere mention of Gran would cause panic in Emily. There seemed to be some kind of justice, watching Gran criticize Emily the way Emily criticizes Lorelai. I assume Gran's treatment of Emily existed even before Lorelai was born; it's possible it had an impact on the way Emily treated Lorelai, but i think more likely Emily was that way no matter what. I would guess that Emily's own mother was hyper-critical and controlling, and that Emily picked up those wonderful little traits from her. Too bad we never got to see Emily's own mother.

 

RICHARD: Lorelai, this is just beautiful. It's like something out of Architectural Digest. You should be very proud.

LORELAI: Thanks Dad.

EMILY: Your dress needs pressing.

LORELAI: Thanks Mom.

[SIDNEY]

I think Emily's definition of "loss" has more than one meaning. One is losing control. I think the other is the "softer" side, where she really does need to cling to her family. That especially came up when Richard was sick. It also came up when she and Richard separated. As you mentioned on a previous post, she tried going through the motions of dating but knew she needed and wanted Richard; they are like two sides of the same coin.

Yep . that's true but i meant another side of " loss ". When Richard told her that they've lost Rory . She said " No , I didn't lose her .. I'm not going to lose her untile she comes home pregnant  " .... What was with that ? I mean a girl gets pregnant when she is 16 is really not good but not to reach the " loss " part .. we should hug kids when they are afraid and in trouble not  through them in a worse place . So what is more important to Emily " Family or Pride " ?

I always got a kick out of watching Emily tremble in the presence of Gran/Trix/the Original Lorelai.

I think " Lor" feels the same way 
It did always amaze me how weak Emily is in Gran's presence !!

You Know what really is Funny about Emily ? The way Richard Proposed to her when they were young 

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... When Retchard told her that they've lost Rory . She said " No , I didn't lose her .. I'm not going to lose her untile she comes home pregnant  " .... What was with that ? I mean a girl gets pregnant when she is 16 is really not good but not to reach the " loss " part .. we should hug kids when they are afraid and in trouble not to through them in a worse place . So what is more important to Emily " Family or Pride " ? ...

I think that is the heart of Emily's inner conflict, and while i would like to believe family wins out, i'm not sure. She is absolutely not a hugger, no matter how much Lorelai would have needed the comfort. I think she is one of those people who will stick up for her family in public to outsiders, but also be very critical to the family members themselves in private. Remember the flashback scenes when Lorelai and Chris' parents are talking/yelling about what is to be done about Lorelai's pregnancy? So much of the concern was about appearances; not only Emily but Richard and Chris' parents as well. That's the culture these people are part of. On the other hand, i remember Richard telling Lorelai that Emily stayed in bed for a month after Lorelai ran away with Rory, that's how upset she was. And i am sure she was upset as a mother who just lost her child and grandchild; it had to be more than just pride. 





 

[jess+rory11]

so this girl I know, she goes to this high school where the lady who works the computers, her mother-in-law is kelly bishop, who plays emily gilmore. it's pretty cool. just thought I would share.

[talkingfriend]

welcome to the forum.
i hope you have a nice time here.

very interesting that you have a "connection" (in a way..) to Kelly bishop.

But please read our rules. it is not always necessary to open a new thread for everything.
use the search for example

i believe this post would belong in the kelly bishop thread: http://www.gilmoregirls.org/forum/index.php?topic=7774.0

thanks,
marlies 

[gilmorefriend]

Wow! Maybe you could meet her!

[jess+rory11]

welcome to the forum.
i hope you have a nice time here.

very interesting that you have a "connection" (in a way..) to Kelly bishop.

But please read our rules. it is not always necessary to open a new thread for everything.
use the search for example

i believe this post would belong in the kelly bishop thread: http://www.gilmoregirls.org/forum/index.php?topic=7774.0

thanks,
marlies 

oh sorry. my bad.

[gilmorefriend]

you should copy and paste what you 1st wrote to your post in the Kelly forum. It is interesting!

[jess+rory11]

you should copy and paste what you 1st wrote to your post in the Kelly forum. It is interesting!

oh thanks! I will try. but where is the kelly bishop forum?

[GilmoreGirls4evr]

^She gave you a link to it. And welcome to the ORG.

[gilmorefriend]

 http://www.gilmoregirls.org/forum/index.php?topic=7774.0
Kelly Forum! Welcome to the org Jess+Rory11

[wmushell]

I found this article about Kelly Bishop I thought I would share.  I love to hear that she and Lauren were close while working on the show! 

Bishop remembers Walsh

Kelly Bishop, who played the tough-talking Sheila in the original production of "A Chorus Line," came to Auburn Friday to celebrate the life of fellow Broadway cast member Thommie Walsh, who died there June 16.

Bishop described herself, Walsh and Priscilla Lopez as a triad who worked and played hearty during their time in the landmark show.

But for the last six years, she has been playing the starchy, patrician Emily Gilmore, mother of Lorelai on TV's "Gilmore Girls." In a brief offstage conversation, she said their off-screen bond was closer than the on-screen connection, where constant friction was the norm between Emily and Lorelai. "She (Lauren Graham) was truly my daughter," says Bishop.

Bishop also says she has great respect for Graham, putting her in the same acting pantheon as Cate Blanchett.

Credit:  http://www.syracuse.com/articles/entertainment/index.ssf?/base/entertainment-0/118284868022980.xml&coll=

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Thank you for sharing that article! ha ha, if their relationship was the same off-camera as it was on, they would never have survived 7 seasons together!