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« Reply #45 on: February 27, 2007, 07:27:07 pm »

Like many of you guys, I also found this to be a very enjoyable episode

I loved the mother daughter interactions, especially as a daughter who has a crazy relationship with her mother. I loved the Will you be my Lorelai Gilmore moment. Its so good to see Rory and lane being best friends again. And i don't know about you, but thats the kind of best friend i want to have. As far as the Logan not telling Rory about it sooner, it was a typical Gilmore man...my first thought was that it was like Luke keeping April from lorelai...now don't scream at me because i do realize they are two different cases, but both guys kept really big information from their girls...As far as the whole "things change" conversation, i took it as a total positive. I felt it was a way for both of them to subtlety express that they have both changed, but in a sense of maturing, and growing up. and yes i too thought there was a "moment"

Overall i think it was a really good episode, lots of typical Gilmore humor, and random little moments, think zack and the oatmeal? Anyways next weeks looks good as well, but as a java junkie i am really dying to see how DR brings them back together (if he does?)
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« Reply #46 on: February 27, 2007, 07:35:55 pm »

I guess Logan invested his own money on behalf of Huntzberger, Inc, after all. (Maybe that's how he got backing as a relative unknown.) He's really under pressure right now, only it's not his father he's letting down by running away from his problems this time. I'm pretty sure he'll come around in time to do something before time runs out. The alternative being that he's not a Gilmore Guy after all (unthinkable!)

So the promo guy's a secret foiler. It's more fun to be surprised. Live Spree or die!

And Luke - well, when he goes all nonchalant like that, he's either covering or rubbing Lorelai's nose in it. She poked a little fun at how he was getting up to speed and he just drops a "things change." She freezes, (regrets apparent, hope you're happy, Luke) and he just wanders in, all, well, nonchalant.

It's almost like knowing he was becoming a bigger person gave him a boost of confidence he needed to face her after she ripped his heart of his chest with her bare hands and threw it on the floor and stomped on it 'till he died (thanks to Weird Al for the colorful metaphor) only to have it all fall to ruins a few months later. Yeah, he still loves her. I wonder how long he's going to punish her.

There was an interesting undertone to this epi, the common thread of all the events being that Rory was too busy to be involved with everything her loved ones were doing. I liked her speech at the baby shower, but nobody gets that kind of laugh out of the "And I'm just sick of her" joke.

I like the way they tied April back to the town as well, with her paper on local heroes featuring Kirk. They didn't show Anna/Luke this epi, but I guess if she's throwing her weight into Spring Break planning, things couldn't be too tense between them.
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« Reply #47 on: February 27, 2007, 07:53:45 pm »

I went back and rewatched the scene at the end. When Luke says 'things change" he has this big smile on his face, while looking at Lorelai.  I felt like he was standing there not wanting to falter and give her any sense of confidence in their relationship.  Its like he was rubbing it in.  I wonder what she was thinking after his comment?  She did look hurt but she has to know how much they both have hurt each other in the past.  Luke still needs time.  But man it is hard to watch them and wonder what is going on in their heads.  It is driving me crazy.
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« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2007, 07:54:55 pm »

i really thought lane was having her babies.. i liked this epi. i loved that lorelai and rory had their usual back and forth bantering. and of all things, about pancakes.. lol.. well sorta.. and it was so cute when lane asked rory to be her lorelai gilmore.. having said all that nice fluffy warm stuff.. i just have to say... i hated the L/L moment.. i wasn't sure whether lorelai was a little hurt when she found out luke sold his boat.. when he said things change, i knew she was hurt then.. i don't think she was expecting him to say that with such disregard.. i mean i don't know if luke was being an ass or anything but the way he said was just so.... cold.. and that's just it.. their relarionship, if you even call it that, we know its been cold but lately, its like artic full blast.. know what i mean?? all you need are like polar bears walking around stars hollow and you got the picture... its an up and down ride it seems like.. one minute he's asking her to write a letter, then she does, then he's at the hospital when her then husband was m.i.a.. i thought at least they could have a little warmth in their conversations by now.. i don't know.. i think i'm just getting antsy cause i feel like if this is it, then they might not have enough time to work it all out.. but i have faith.. anyways... so good episode....
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« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2007, 08:18:46 pm »

I adored this episode!! It was a nice balance of comedy and drama. There were pop culture references, nice moments between different characters and back and forth dialogue. It felt like GG of past seasons! As the season goes on, the episodes get better and better.

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« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2007, 08:22:27 pm »

I didn't get the impression Luke was rubbing her face in anything. It just seemed to me that he was showing her, or explaining to her, that he can have a life without her, and that her being gone from his life doesn't turn him into a weepy, whiney shmuck. It's not to say that he's over her; he's not, clearly. He's still got a lil' summin' - summin' going for that woman.

I think that ever since Luke read that character reference, he's finally been able to really see that he's not just a pathetic loser. Or, he's not just the guy who didn't tell his fiancee about his long-lost daughter. And he's not just the guy who thinks he doesn't have enough balls to ask out Lorelai Victoria Gilmore, The Great (Sarcasm?)

He's acknowledged that he's in a rut and I'd like to see him continue to better himself. The whole Disneyland thing was kind of weird for me, but, hey, whatev.

Did anyone else find Luke's just conversation with April 'wince-inducing' awkward?
I adored this episode!! It was a nice balance of comedy and drama. There were pop culture references, nice moments between different characters and back and forth dialogue. It felt like GG of past seasons! As the season goes on, the episodes get better and better.

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« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2007, 08:24:59 pm »

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I went back and rewatched the scene at the end. When Luke says 'things change" he has this big smile on his face, while looking at Lorelai.  I felt like he was standing there not wanting to falter and give her any sense of confidence in their relationship.  Its like he was rubbing it in.  I wonder what she was thinking after his comment?  She did look hurt but she has to know how much they both have hurt each other in the past.  Luke still needs time.  But man it is hard to watch them and wonder what is going on in their heads.  It is driving me crazy.

Like I said on another board, I think what Luke stated about changing actually had a double-meaning behind it. Not only was he talking about himself but I think in some way he was in his own way trying to encourage Lorelai to do the same. I think he can see that Lorelai is still stuck in this void and he doesn't want her to know he can tell. I think until Lorelai is willing to change herself as well can the two of them truly clean the slate and be in a permanent relationship together.
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« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2007, 08:36:07 pm »

First off, everyone keeps saying that Kirk named his boat "SS Kirlue" but he didn't say that he said "SS Lirk"


I thought this episode was a big eye opener for a lot of the relationships going on.

- Logan was being very selfish...he didn't even care about the fact that Rory had an interview with the New York Times.  In fact, he forgot and she had to remind him.   Plus, he kept randomly snapping at her and then apologizing later...seems to me like he's losing his cool.  He's showing his old self again by running away from his problems with his two loser friends which will not solve anything.

- Lane's conversation with Rory was adorable.  It was so needed too since we haven't seen any interaction between them in so long.

- I think Luke and Lorelai's conversation was a step in a positive direction.  You can't expect them to be completely normal with each other a few weeks after she breaks up with Chris.  That would be way too unrealistic.  I think what Luke meant by "things change" is that he is trying to change for the better.  He's trying to be more open to new things and take some risks.  He doesn't want to be the same old Luke who lost Lorelai once because he was afraid of being spontaneous or stepping out of his routine.

Looking forward to next week's episode...I love the sound of "Gilmore Girls Only"  Smiley
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« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2007, 08:47:43 pm »

I'll have to stick with my first impression. "Things change... if you have the guts to stick around and wait for it." I don't think it was malicious, or anything, but I totally get that he wants her to know he's changing. He thought she found his slow pace unattractive or incompatible, and it's a bit much to believe he's sharing this part of his life with her 'as a friend' considering the boat-baggage involved.

I agree Lorelai wants to change, too. When Miss Patty asked her how she was doing, she said "moving on, moving forward." Typical Lorelai. Maybe a bit of not getting over something quickly would be good for her, even if she takes a page from Luke's book and hides out from everyone for a while to heal from her broken marriage.
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« Reply #54 on: February 27, 2007, 08:56:12 pm »

- Logan was being very selfish...he didn't even care about the fact that Rory had an interview with the New York Times.  In fact, he forgot and she had to remind him.   Plus, he kept randomly snapping at her and then apologizing later...seems to me like he's losing his cool.  He's showing his old self again by running away from his problems with his two loser friends which will not solve anything.

The man just lost 5 million dollars and he's having to settle a lawsuit.  He's got a lot on his mind.  It actually reminds me of Lorelai snapping at Michel about the dog funeral because she had issues with Chris.  It wasn't because she didn't care about Michel or the fact that he was hurting, it was because she had something huge on her mind.  Same goes with Logan IMO.  It's not that he didn't care about Rory or was trying to diminish the things happening in her life (which was pretty clear by the fact that he asked how the interview went as soon as she got back to his place), it was that he had the failure of his company and the disaster it was causing in his life on his mind.  And I think it was pretty clear that she understood that (especially from the conversation she had with Lorelai).  It's not that she was condoning the way he was acting but she understood the reasons behind it. 

He's reacting badly.  No question about it.  He's also human and he has flaws.  He can't react perfectly in every situation, that's just not reality (and would make for pretty boring fiction). 

I agree Lorelai wants to change, too. When Miss Patty asked her how she was doing, she said "moving on, moving forward." Typical Lorelai. Maybe a bit of not getting over something quickly would be good for her, even if she takes a page from Luke's book and hides out from everyone for a while to heal from her broken marriage.

I like the idea of it taking Lorelai some time to get over her broken marriage.  Divorce is not an easy thing to deal with even if it happens where both parties agree it's for the best.  I think Lorelai needs to take a good hard look at her own life and the way she deals with relationships before even considering the possibility of getting back together with Luke.
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« Reply #55 on: February 27, 2007, 09:01:41 pm »

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« Reply #56 on: February 27, 2007, 09:04:01 pm »

I really don't get this Logan should be dumped for going to Vegas.  I personally don't think it's a bad thing in itself at all.  Rory can be worried that something will happen, but unless she's psychic, she can't condemn him for possibilities.  Which, she hasn't, but I'm just saying.  It's quite possible that he will go to Vegas, use some of Finn and Colin's money (or heck, his own, since I don't really see him reduced to Ramen's noodles, or that any amount he might use of his pocket money would help the family business) to do a little gambling and then come home.  None of which are terrible things, and only someone who is practically perfect in every way wouldn't have done something if they felt they lost everyone's money.   He's not turning back into old Logan, since I don't think such an animal exists.  He's simply Logan.  I wouldn't want him to be a completely different man from the one we met in season 5.  Rory fell in love with that guy as much as she loves how he's expanded that guy (not changed him) to the one we see now.

One thing I enjoy with characters are characters who have traits that can be both virtues and flaws depending on the situation.  I think Logan's duel trait is the tendency to leap in feet first.  He embraces life, he doesn't hold back.  That's a good thing and a nice counter to list making Rory.  At the same time, that trait made him jump into a deal without checking all the pros and cons.  Some ways, his way of approaching life is one that fits better than Rory's, and sometimes her ways fit better.

And, Logan's reaction to being pulled down to earth because of his leap before you look attitude?  Well, it puts me in the mind of Anne of Green Gables.  Yep, you read it right.

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"When I think something nice is going to happen I seem to fly right up on the wings of anticipation; and then the first thing I realize I drop down to earth with a thud. But really, Marilla, the flying part is glorious as long as it lasts. . .it's like soaring through a sunset. I think it almost pays for the thud."
That's from Anne of Avonlea.  Of course, Anne lived in a small Canadian province and was never making big business deals.  But, if we can forgive the shaky analogy (I live for the shaky analogy) this is Logan's thud.  And, people don't just carry on from a thud.  Even if Logan was a weeble, he needs to wobble first before he doesn't fall down.  And, now I pulled out the children's lit and toys in one post, so you all know I mean business Grin

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It actually reminds me of Lorelai snapping at Michel about the dog funeral because she had issues with Chris.  It wasn't because she didn't care about Michel or the fact that he was hurting, it was because she had something huge on her mind.


Exactly.  Human beings don't live in synchronization.  Sometimes what you're going through is more important than the other guy.  Doesn't mean Rory can't be disappointed that Logan wasn't prepared to be up and cheerful, but this is similar to her being told that she didn't have what it took to be a journalist from Mitchum.  A huge blow, kind of wiped the "lets be polite because I'm a guest at a party" right out of there.  It's not on Miss Manners 100 Steps of Good Behavior, but I don't think it's on Insert Crass Person of Choice's 100 Steps of Being a Total Butt either.  It falls in the middle.

I also didn't recognize Lulu.

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« Reply #57 on: February 27, 2007, 09:11:28 pm »

- Logan was being very selfish...he didn't even care about the fact that Rory had an interview with the New York Times.  In fact, he forgot and she had to remind him.   Plus, he kept randomly snapping at her and then apologizing later...seems to me like he's losing his cool.  He's showing his old self again by running away from his problems with his two loser friends which will not solve anything.

The man just lost 5 million dollars and he's having to settle a lawsuit.  He's got a lot on his mind.  It actually reminds me of Lorelai snapping at Michel about the dog funeral because she had issues with Chris.  It wasn't because she didn't care about Michel or the fact that he was hurting, it was because she had something huge on her mind.  Same goes with Logan IMO.  It's not that he didn't care about Rory or was trying to diminish the things happening in her life (which was pretty clear by the fact that he asked how the interview went as soon as she got back to his place), it was that he had the failure of his company and the disaster it was causing in his life on his mind.  And I think it was pretty clear that she understood that (especially from the conversation she had with Lorelai).  It's not that she was condoning the way he was acting but she understood the reasons behind it. 

He's reacting badly.  No question about it.  He's also human and he has flaws.  He can't react perfectly in every situation, that's just not reality (and would make for pretty boring fiction). 


I understand him being upset...I would be too, but instead of letting Rory help him he's just trying to run away from his problems.

I know he asked her about her interview but he didn't really try to get it out of her when she dismissed it to find out what was going on with him.  It just seems like she was always so happy for him when he was becoming successful and now that it's Rory's turn it's like it doesn't matter.  Also he didn't even say anything to her when she left for the interview..he could have at least said good luck.
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« Reply #58 on: February 27, 2007, 09:18:33 pm »

First off, everyone keeps saying that Kirk named his boat "SS Kirlue" but he didn't say that he said "SS Lirk"

That's what I thought too, SS Lurk, but maybe I missed something later. 

I think Rory's problem with Logan going to Vegas is Colin and Finn.  Logan doesn't make very good decisions when he's with them, like ending up in the hospital from the last Life and Death Brigade stuff.  So I know why Rory would worry about that, but I hope she doesn't want Logan to cut them out of his life.  I didn't really get that she did.  Maybe she was just disappointed because he seemed to be falling back into the old reckless college guy he was, and that along with not telling her about the bad deal, she was feeling a bit insecure.  I think the way Logan was acting was very realistic in regards to what we've seen from his character.  He's grown but he'll always be Logan.  I wasn't really fond of Logan at the beginning but I like the way his character has developed and he's more interesting to me than Rory is right now. 

I think Luke saying things change was a positive as well.  He isn't the guy Lorelai gave the ultimatum to, and I think that was the point. 

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« Reply #59 on: February 27, 2007, 09:20:15 pm »

'Logan is only human' is getting to be a pretty popular explanation. My point in saying he was running away is that he is. Forget about thinking of Rory's problems, he's not even thinking about his own problems, and his problems have a lot of victims. He feels horrible about the deal and himself as a businessman and a person, but getting drunk with Philip and flying to Vegas with Colin and Finn won't help anyone or solve anything, it will just give him a blindfold for the execution.

But there's still time to turn it around before everyone loses. Rory getting involved could help, if he would let her. He was so condescending to her when she tried to buck him up, talking about how the deal was so big and she was just a plucky smile in the face of it.

It's fair, since up to now she's seemed a little vague about his work. She told Lucy he "bought the internet or something," and her reaction to his business before this point was mostly how it was affecting them personally as individuals and a couple. But I can't help thinking that her tendency to persevere or her connections, or even her pluck would be more useful than the despair that comes with all the details. It's not too late, and there's always something to try if you can only think of it.

On another note, Doris said Mitch wanted to see Logan, but the boom might not be as heavy as Logan thinks it will be. His father might just want to help or sympathize with the memory of his own first business disaster. Then again, it could be worse. If Huntzberger, Inc. sues Logan for investment fraud, they might come off without a scratch, leaving Logan to bear the debt and the jail time alone. Business is business.

Umm, rambling, my point was, Logan is panicked and his perception of the grimness could be distorted to overwhelming proportions. Even if the worst thing that could possibly happen happens (and this isn't it, nobody died,) life goes on, and if he doesn't blow it by not even trying, he'll still have at least one plucky smile on his side.
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