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« Reply #60 on: June 14, 2007, 08:00:21 pm »

This was one of the really good episodes of season 1.  The look on Rorys face after she said "thank you" was priceless!  Grin
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« Reply #61 on: June 25, 2007, 08:41:56 pm »

I love how in tune Amy was with a shy girl's first kiss.  Amy wrote it very well and Alexis executed it very well.

I guess any teenage girl would be embarrassed by her mom at some point, but hell, if I had a mom like Lorelai I would have told Dean that he was in for a fun night. 

Dean was a bit of a douche when he said, "oh here comes the talk."  It's a mother prerogative to give her daughter's first boyfriend a talk. 

I especially loved how he got caught by Babbette before coming in, hahah.
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« Reply #62 on: August 19, 2007, 12:28:49 pm »

Rory: I got kissed and i shop lifted

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« Reply #63 on: August 22, 2007, 12:40:30 pm »

so do i.
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« Reply #64 on: October 02, 2007, 11:08:36 am »

I watched this episode with my fiance last night. (Yes, I have convinced him that Gilmore Girls is worth watching - even if he is a male.  Cheesy ) ANYWAY! He loved the part where Lorelai started talking about when Rory was little and she cried about the weeping willow. The look on Rory's face is priceless! LOL.
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« Reply #65 on: October 02, 2007, 12:50:25 pm »

I watched this episode with my fiance last night. (Yes, I have convinced him that Gilmore Girls is worth watching - even if he is a male.  Cheesy ) ANYWAY! He loved the part where Lorelai started talking about when Rory was little and she cried about the weeping willow. The look on Rory's face is priceless! LOL.

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I feel bad for Rory in this epiode and happy for her. First of all Dean kissed her and she said "Thank you" now I would have been embarassed forever if that happened to me. But I was really glad Rory's first kiss came from a great guy like Dean.

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« Reply #66 on: October 02, 2007, 03:51:21 pm »

I also feel sorry for Rory, but it's because she was made to feel guilty for not running to her mother with the news after kissing a boy. Even as close as she is with Lorelai, i think she acted like any teenager in wanting to keep such a thing separate from her mom. Not her "best friend", her mom. Dani pointed out on another thread that people can have more than one best friend. As for Rory's two best friends, there are probably things that Rory does not share with Lane and there should also be things she would not share with Lorelai, who is above all her mother.
 
Lorelai spent most of the episode coming to grips with the idea of "best friends" with her daughter. Rory did not seem bothered over keeping the kiss a secret; it was more the fact that she knew Lorelai would be upset. I would have actually preferred that she not tell Lorelai the details at the end of the episode. They are plenty close as it is; can't she have anything to herself? It was simply a kiss. It's not as though she is going to jump in bed with Dean (not unless he is married, ha ha).

I am curious what people think about Lorelai's motivation in inviting Dean to the house. She made the invite sound so innocent, saying she thought Rory would like the idea. I have to believe she was thinking more of her own position, in wanting to get on the front-line of whatever was going on. She understandably felt jabbed when Rory made a comparison with Emily, but there might have been something to it. Lorelai was being protective of Rory as any good parent would, as shown in her private talk with Dean. But i think her overwhelming concern was that Rory did not involve her. That's what made her invite to Dean seem manipulative.

Aside from that, i think Lane and Mrs. Kim steal every scene in which they appear. It cracks me up when Mrs. Kim asks who Rory kissed and Lane's automatic reply is, "The Lord, Mama". And Lane seems to think Mrs. Kim does not suspect anything more? I also love Mrs. Kim's moral outrage that Rory kissed a boy in the market, "Where we buy our food".
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« Reply #67 on: October 02, 2007, 04:28:31 pm »

i felt bad for rory that she couldn tell lorelai...she was so excited and lorelai was in a bad mood..bu tit was funny when lorelai asked her about it
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« Reply #68 on: October 02, 2007, 07:10:29 pm »

She's not going on your motorcycle.

Any aisle you kiss a boy in a GOOD aisle

Yeah well, Rory's a perfectionist

I think the on thing that I thought about throughout this episode and in some way wish I hadn't been thinking about, was something that we were discussing in another episode thread. It stems from Lorelai's expression after seeing Rory and Dean outside her kitchen window. Because of Lorelai and Rory's close relationship, the unconventional relationship between mother and daughter, especially at that age in life (Rory), Rory's made to feel pressure because of not sharing things, but shouldn't. There's no reason that Rory should have had to share with her mom until she was ready. At the end of the episode, she did share but I'm thinking more out of guilt (as Jim pointed out already) than anything else. I really hadn't noticed this until watching the episode today and thinking about what had been discussed earlier.

That aside, this episode definitely shows the relationship that the girls have. (All of them, Lane, Rory, Sookie, Loreial) It also brings out the innocence of Rory at this age...wanting to run to her best friend (her age) to tell such exciting news about being kissed. That's what someone that age would do, right? There's a great balances of comedy and realism in this episode. It doesn't do a ton to move the plot along, there are episodes throughout the series that do a lot more with the plot, but it's an important episode. We gain a greater understanding for relationships and for individuals. Something this show does a remarkable job in doing, no matter what season!

I must say, it's not one of my favorite episodes (can you believe that! Tongue) But, it's a good one. (What episode isn't?!) I am reminded of how I really liked Dean when he first appeared. Looking back at her relationship with him, there really isn't a better boyfriend that a mother could ask for, for a girl's first relationship! And even as time passes, and things evolve with their relationship, it's a good one. They both learn a lot and grow a great deal! What more can you ask from your first boyfriend?!

As the season heads into autumn here, it makes the first season episodes feel so good! I don't know why, perhaps because that's when the 'fresh' episodes would air when a new season began? Perhaps because when I think of the first season, I think of autumn for some reason? It just feels good! Grin
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« Reply #69 on: October 02, 2007, 08:31:16 pm »

It's not as though she is going to jump in bed with Dean (not unless he is married, ha ha).

Ba-dum-bump -ssssss!  (My version of the drumbeat cymbal hit that follows a joke)

I think Lorelai's issues with Rory not telling her about the kiss have multiple areas.  Sorry, for some reason I'm losing my command of the English language, so some of my phrases might come out funny, but hopefully they'll still make sense.  I mean, I think she purposely set up a relationship where Rory would feel free to share anything with her without feeling weird.  The kiss (and her attraction to Dean in general) is probably the first thing Rory kept from her.  So, Lorelai is thinking that maybe Rory no longer feels comfortable about telling her things.  Maybe she really hasn't created the open environment that she thought she had.  And, part of it was just being used to sharing gossip with her best friend and this is the kind of gossip best friends share.  So, I thought it was a mixture of mother angst (am I being the mother I set out to be and making an environment that my child will feel good about) /best friend jealousy (Rory had something she couldn't share in, unlike Rory's friendship with Lane, which Lorelai can take part in sometimes).  I also think Lorelai had to readjust her outlook to include Rory with boys.  With Lane, she's so used to being part of the gang.  Sure, there are probably times when it's just Lane and Rory, but Lorelai joining in or even being there from the start was normal.  She was never an interloper. Now, Lorelai is "the mom" In her mind, probably "the Emily mom" 

A lot of stuff said about Lorelai and Rory so far.  Can we mention how cute and sweet the beginning of the Rory/Dean relationship was?  Also, for those keeping tabs (me!)of the fact that Dean started off smarter and had more in common with Rory than they made it seem when they tossed him aside, he recognized the Willy Wonka movie and which Gene starred in it.  And, in the Gilmore universe I think a knowledge of pop culture is a sign of intelligence.

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« Reply #70 on: October 02, 2007, 10:07:19 pm »

Too right! "How much does it suck that 'Pink Moon' is in a Volkswagon commercial?"

And Lorelai didn't do anything to make Rory feel guilty about the kiss on purpose, that's why she was acting so weird: she couldn't tell Rory how she was feeling. Rory wanted to talk about the kiss with someone who had experience in the area, but she was afraid of how Lorelai would react, and didn't believe her when she said she was fine with it.

I don't blame Lorelai for trying to prove that all she wanted was for Rory to be happy, and, come to that, in her living room under her supervision is probably the only place in Stars Hollow that Rory even could have had any privacy. But she also wanted Rory to talk to her about it because this is the first big moment in Rory's life with which Lorelai can completely relate.
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« Reply #71 on: October 03, 2007, 08:19:25 am »

... I am reminded of how I really liked Dean when he first appeared. Looking back at her relationship with him, there really isn't a better boyfriend that a mother could ask for, for a girl's first relationship! And even as time passes, and things evolve with their relationship, it's a good one. They both learn a lot and grow a great deal! What more can you ask from your first boyfriend?!
... Can we mention how cute and sweet the beginning of the Rory/Dean relationship was? Also, for those keeping tabs (me!)of the fact that Dean started off smarter and had more in common with Rory than they made it seem when they tossed him aside, he recognized the Willy Wonka movie and which Gene starred in it. And, in the Gilmore universe I think a knowledge of pop culture is a sign of intelligence.

Yeah, Rory's relationship with Dean began with an innocence she never experienced with Jess or Logan. She apparently has no experience in dating but i have to imagine someone asked her out along the way! As for Dean, he is the one with the former girlfriend in Chicago, and he comes across as confident but considerate. He wants Rory but he isn't being too pushy about it. He's still the new guy from the big city and i enjoy when he talks about the Star's Hollow trees!  The only thing that puzzled me was when he suggested "Boogie Nights" as his movie-night choice. Good thing Lorelai was not in the room. She's already adjusting to him and suggesting a movie about the porn industry would probably not have bolstered her comfort level (and not merely on artistic grounds as Rory suggested).

Isn't there some kind of symmetry here with "Recipes & Raincoats"? After Rory slept with married Dean, she said to Lorelai that she had meant to discuss it with her first. Strange journey, from guilt over not telling mom about a kiss, to guilt over not discussing sex with her married ex-boyfriend. 

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« Reply #72 on: October 03, 2007, 11:40:06 am »

On a side note here, I wonder if Loreali ever picked up her rocking chair from Mrs. Kim's antique store..... What do you think?
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« Reply #73 on: October 03, 2007, 12:22:22 pm »

On a side note here, I wonder if Loreali ever picked up her rocking chair from Mrs. Kim's antique store..... What do you think?

I think Mrs. Kim would carry it to Lorelai's house and demand Lorelai pay a shipping charge upon delivery. Yuh don't mess with Mrs. Kim.

 
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« Reply #74 on: October 03, 2007, 12:23:22 pm »

The only thing that puzzled me was when he suggested "Boogie Nights" as his movie-night choice. Good thing Lorelai was not in the room. She's already adjusting to him and suggesting a movie about the porn industry would probably not have bolstered her comfort level (and not merely on artistic grounds as Rory suggested).

It could be one of two things.  He suggested it because Lorelai was out of the room and he was joking.  But, I don't know if that fits with him being pretty sensitive to Rory's inexperience with dating.  Suggesting a movie about the porn industry just seems somewhat suggestive, if that makes sense.  The second possibility is Lorelai came off as cool mom (was this before or after Lorelai gave him the talk?) and he honestly felt she would be okay with it, especially if she was right there watching with them.

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