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31  Episode Discussion / Season 1 / Re: 1.10 - Forgiveness and Stuff on: August 14, 2008, 06:29:02 pm
Yep, it's apple tarts, the one thing Lorelai likes about her parents annual party. She liked them so much she made up a song about them.
32  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.07 - The Shoot Gilmores, Don't They? on: August 14, 2008, 06:24:13 pm
Well, I mean, I get it, I've just never seen a show that popular where the true blue lovers both grew up together and got married inside the span of the show. Wait, unless Kevin ended up married to Winni, I can't remember.

Getting us back off-topic, Kevin did not marry Winni. In the series finale his narration revealed that she went off to Paris. When she came back to their town he greeted her at the airport with his wife, whose identity was not revealed. They might have also had a child, i don't recall. 

Back to this ep, i agree about the visuals. The scan of everyone swing dancing is awesome. L & R do very, very, very well with their retro look. Kirk always looks like some kinda retro freak to me, so it wasn't much of a stretch. In his own way, Luke was doing a retro thing, back to the '90s grunge days.

The movie They Shoot Horses, Don't They?   is terrific and i was thinking of it during the "runaround." The S.H. version was a happy romp compared to the torture the contestants suffered in the movie, where one of the characters actually died along the way.
33  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.07 - The Shoot Gilmores, Don't They? on: August 13, 2008, 05:45:16 pm
I also wonder why Kirk's partner is absent from the victory lap. She could be Adrian to his Rocky. Rory sums up Kirk perfectly and pitifully when she describes his life to Lorelai, concluding with "lonely pathetic existence." But for this one day Kirk is supremely confident in himself and not as a cover-up of his low self-esteem. He's not sore at Lorelai about being rejected for a date; this is an annual showdown and the trash-talking comes from both sides with a history behind it. For this occasion, Kirk is more Apollo Creed than Rocky. And his victory lap makes for possibly the funniest ending ever to a GG episode.
This was a rare episode where Jackson seemed a bit creepy to me, thanks to his "four-in-four" plan. I adore Sookie but she annoyed me. I'm taking into account that she is new at this thing called marriage, but she has been with Jackson since season 1. If she wakes up to discover her husband thinks of her as a baby-making machine, she ought to be able to question him without fear of upsetting him or spoiling the marriage. She knew "four-in-four" wasn't going to happen without the consent of her own mind & body, but it's about time she started getting over her insecurities when it comes to Jackson. Maybe she freaked because it's such a serious issue, but we've seen her react this way over little issues also. As usual, they worked it out and everyone was happy because these two are truly meant to be together. I give them some credit because, after all the confusion, they found a relatively quick resolution by communicating with each other, something the Gilmore Girls never learned in their relationships (well, Lorelai more than Rory).
What strikes me about Paris is how much, for a change, she behaves like any other vulnerable teenager in love. She puts her guard up against Jamie but underneath she still adores the guy and can't resist him. We've seen this side of her before in brief glimpses but this is far more than a crush on Tristan or a secret yearning to be asked to a Chilton dance. I agree it's a bit frightening that she has a revenge notebook, but not surprising. She has a harsh view of the world, instinctively thinks the worst of people, expects the same in return, and i imagine her family background has played a part in her attitude. She probably assumes her enemies have their own revenge notebooks. But i wonder how much of her list is based on paranoia, how many of those enemies are real. I'm guessing Rory's name has appeared and been removed and reappeared and removed again.
What a perfect title for this episode, except the horse should have been shot many episodes back yonder. If someone allowed a horse to suffer as long as Dean, it would be considered cruelty to animals. In effect, by breaking up with her, he had to shoot himself to take himself out of his own misery. Would Rory have continued indefinitely with the charade?
I wonder if Stanley Appleman's wife is in cahoots with the Deb Gang from "One's Got Class..."? They have different grievances, but the way things are going, Lorelai might get run out of town on a rail.
The power of Mrs. Kim is such that even wise-guy Jess is reduced to calling her "ma'am." Mrs. Kim does nothing half-heartedly, not even the preparation of sandwiches. She shows such glee at the thought of Dave coming back for more!
Fast Times At Ridgement High  reference!
PARIS: Madeline -- or may I call you Spicoli?
MADELINE: If you have to.

Paris never runs out of small town cracks:
RORY: There’s this big event that’s happening in my town.
PARIS: Pig race?
RORY: Dance marathon.
PARIS: I was close.
34  Gilmore Girls / International Discussion / Re: GG in Israel!!! on: August 12, 2008, 11:34:16 pm
Noga! Good to see you're back. I have been keeping up with the news about Russia and Georgia and it is distressing.

Amber, sorry to hear things have been tough for you lately. I hope you hang in there and can have a better summer. Smiley
35  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.06 - Take the Deviled Eggs... on: August 06, 2008, 10:00:19 pm
Well, i did over-state in suggesting Christopher was the villain of the scenario, but i enjoyed reading the objections. He and Sherry are both responsible, that's how it is with these things. I strongly dislike Sherry, but i'm not convinced about her getting pregnant accidentally-on-purpose. As things are, they could be worse but the fact remains, in his aim to do the right thing he is staying with Sherry for the sake of the child. How many relationships survive long-term for the sake of the child? It's the best he can do, i give him his good intentions, but he put himself on a slippery slope and Gigi is on that slope with him.
Christopher and Sherry live together and it would have taken a major effort for him to conceal the trauma he was going through for a period of months. Rory was in D.C. but it didn't change the fact that he became increasingly distraught by her freeze-out and would need to be careful about showing his emotions in front of Sherry. Sherry would have been preoccupied with her overextended life, but she knows how important Rory is to him and would ask about her occasionally. He might have kept it simple and said as little as possible in reply to any questions. Jeez, between his anguish over Rory and his preggers woman, his blood pressure must have gone through the roof.
I like lessa's virility angle because "Swan Song" was on ABC Family today. This is the episode where Lorelai says it took about ten minutes to conceive Rory, including getting dressed and putting on lipstick. Ten minutes! Good ol' Christopher, virile and quick on the draw! Perhaps he's improved to twenty minutes after all these years.
36  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.06 - Take the Deviled Eggs... on: August 05, 2008, 08:06:14 pm
Sherry was oversincere, gushing, insensitive and possessive (i'll pass on whiny) before she was preggers, so i can't see the pending Gigi as an excuse for her personality.

But if there is a villain in the scenario, it's not Sherry. How about the character who doesn't appear, Christopher? Yep, he's doing the right thing by Sherry in his ongoing quest for domestic tranquility. But he's only doing what a decent person is expected to do, take responsibility for his own mess. He's the guy who donated his sperm to Sherry, then went off and had a romp with Lorelai and promised her the moon while he and Sherry were on a sabbatical from each other. He's got one woman carrying his non-love child, one left out in the cold and one still hoping for a full-time dad and reduced to emails and phone calls.
37  Gilmore Girls / General Discussion / Re: A Gilmore Revisiting - The Viewing Party (Bringing Tuesdays Back) on: August 05, 2008, 07:51:19 pm
I've had my head down for a few days catching up on every episode of Showtime's Weeds. I swear, it could be an alternate reality Gilmore Girls. Of course, I've been thinking that about everything I've watched since last Summer.

I don't have Showtime but i caught part of an episode at a friend's house and this looks like one wild show. Mary Louise-Parker was heavily featured in what i saw and if she is the "Lorelai" in this alternate reality GG, i can imagine being all-in.
38  Gilmore Girls / General Discussion / Re: Unpopular Opinions Thread on: August 05, 2008, 07:01:48 pm
The thing about Emily coming off as a social butterfly, as Milk Keg described it, is that it is nothing more than coming off that way. Emily does not have a Sookie or a Lane. She and her so-called friends are the types who are in competition with each other, gossiping, looking for an edge in the social standing. In contrast, as Lauren pointed out, Lorelai had less time for social activity as a young single mom, yet she found a true best friend in Sookie. To make the odds even longer, Lorelai spends most of her time in S.H. and single women in her age range must not be plentiful. I think of her as a gal who would rather hang out with the guys anyway, including during her anti-Muffy years in Hartford. 
39  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.06 - Take the Deviled Eggs... on: August 05, 2008, 05:16:27 pm
My guess is that Rory was not going to tell Lorelai about her contact with Christopher until something from the outside forced the issue; if not the invitation, something else. It goes back to earlier questions of Rory's motivations in shutting out Christopher in lockstep with Lorelai, how much for herself and how much for Lorelai. Interesting that she found it in her heart to return his emails, while Lorelai continued shutting him out. I wonder if Lorelai would have responded if he sent her an email. Christopher might have really poured out his heart in his initial email to Rory; with the passage of time, the wound must have healed enough for her to put aside the anger. She is a naturally forgiving type of person anyway, not as stubborn as Lorelai and probably not cut as deeply as her mom by the pregnancy (though deep enough). She might have felt a sense of betraying her mom in communicating with Christopher, even though Lorelai made it clear it would be ok. Or maybe she felt awkwardly caught in the middle, and it was easier for her to keep it secret.

The problem with Sherry is that she stinks of phoniness even when she takes a stab at being genuine. I agree she is looking out for her territory in a similar way to their initial meeting but not, as Sidney suspects, that she is diabolical enough to be lying about everything she's telling Lorelai. She has Christopher and she is carrying their child and that gives her plenty of her own territory. But she is a control freak and insecure and needs everything in its proper place. Rory has her place in Sherry's plan and if she gets a piece of Rory she gets an additional piece of Christopher also. The thing is, if she has any suspicions over Lorelai and Christopher, well, it's for good reason. Lorelai views Sherry as the other woman but Sherry, if she views Lorelai as a romantic threat at all, can justifiably view her the same way. But i think Sherry's bigger concern about Lorelai is in getting her piece of Rory. Everybody wants a piece of Rory!
One of the questions i think about is, what if anything has Christopher told Sherry? He obviously did not disclose his horizontal waltz with Lorelai in "I Can't Get Started," but what about the silent treatment from Rory, how did he explain that? She was not in touch with him for the duration of the summer before their secret emails began. Sherry must have at least asked about Rory. Did he flat-out lie or tell some kind of half-truth?
40  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.06 - Take the Deviled Eggs... on: August 05, 2008, 08:09:39 am
I can't stand Sherry and i can't stand that i can't find any serious fault with her in this episode! She's her usual annoying self, but that's the worst i can say. Where's the loathsome Sherry manipulation? She doesn't know about the hanky-panky between Lorelai and Christopher in "I Can't Get Started" and i don't see her as trying to stick anything in Lorelai's face. Quite the opposite, she's viewing Lorelai as the person who helped bring Christopher back to her! I don't always take her at her word, but i see no reason to doubt that she means it. 

However, the de facto result for Lorelai amounts to the whole thing with Christopher being shoved in her face. A full day of reminders from Sherry's cackling voice of what could have been Lorelai's own happy life. I cut Lorelai some slack because that's a hard thing to take, but it brings out some bad moments for her. Her rant to Rory in the bathroom comes across as petty. She is already feeling insecure about Rory going off to college next year and she's feeling territorial about her daughter, but that's nothing new. It reminded me of "The Bracebridge Dinner," when she didn't tell Rory about Christopher requesting her to join him and Sherry for the holidays. Or, her epic battles with Emily & Richard over her. Ok, her defenses automatically go up, but she could try taking a breath and remembering the deep bond she has with Rory. She uses it as one more excuse to fuel her resentment over the pregnancy.

I saw a parallel between Lorelai/Sherry and Rory/Jess' car. L & R each lost something and they are each being confronted dead-on with the unpleasant reality. I thought the egging was childish and nothing more. I suppose Lorelai was symbolically egging Jess and Sherry and Christopher simultaneoulsy, but she ought to go home and punch a pillow instead.
I liked seeing Lane going into best-friend mode for Rory's sake, but the way she reacted was a flashback to the town's initial reaction to the car crash, where Jess was the presumed villain. Rory apparently has tangled feelings between not wanting to be the angelic victim, resentment over losing her car and her irrational resentment over Jess not throwing himself at her feet. Also, her karaoke moment came across as an example of why people in S.H. think she is oh-so-adorable. It reminded me of Paris' crack that little birdies must help her get dressed in the morning. I thought her singing was cutsie in a nauseating way.
I like to think the town "Boo Radley" was protesting for the sake of protesting, just to make a point to the wanna-be dictator Taylor. That works for me. But the rabbi and reverand thoroughly manhandled Taylor in their hilarious scene, which was a perfect anti-Taylor protest.

RABBI: We answer to a higher authority. . . like the hot dog.
REVEREND: I laugh every time you say that.
RABBI: I know. Funny is funny.
TAYLOR: Well, I can guarantee that God does not want this either.
REVEREND: Did you hear that, David? Taylor Doose is in direct communication with God.
RABBI: Thirty years I’m working for God, I haven’t received so much as a card.
REVEREND: Is it by phone that you speak with him, Taylor?
RABBI: Do you have a God phone, Taylor?
TAYLOR: Rabbi, please.
REVEREND: What’s he like? For us common folk who’ve never met him?
RABBI: Is he short, is he tall?
REVEREND: Does he like to laugh?
RABBI: Is the whole shellfish thing really serious? Because, I gotta tell you, some of these Red Lobster commercials. . .
REVEREND: They look good, huh?
RABBI: Oh, with the melted butter? Oh my God.

RABBI: You’re gonna tell my little old ladies, my bubbies, you’re shutting down their bingo?
TAYLOR: I’m not afraid of your bubbies, Rabbi.
REVEREND: Oh, God, thank you for letting me be in the room when Taylor said that.

REVEREND: ... Taylor, you’re a Sunday Protestant. You come in, you say ‘Hi God’, you sing a song, and you leave.
TAYLOR: I always leave a dollar!
REVEREND: For your singing voice, you should leave two.
TAYLOR: Well, fine, if you feel like that, maybe I will just stop showing up altogether. Maybe I’ll convert to something else and give them my generous weekly donation.
REVEREND: Do you want him?
RABBI: Not after the whole bubbies thing.
REVEREND: Maybe the Shakers in Woodbury would take him.
RABBI: Yeah, he’s already got the beard. Can you make furniture, Taylor?
TAYLOR: Goodbye gentlemen.
41  Gilmore Girls / General Discussion / Re: Movie Thread on: August 05, 2008, 07:56:45 am
Woody Allen is not someone associated with celebrating nature in his films, but he did it in his movie A Midnight Summer's Sex Comedy. It's not a great movie by any means, but worth seeing once. It takes place in a rural setting, with many shots of the lush countryside and close-ups of animals, almost just for the sake of it. I'm not too well-versed in foreign directors, but he was probably paying homage to directors such as Ingmar Bergman or Jean Renoir.   

I liked Malick's The Thin Red Line but with all the famous cameos (Clooney, Travolta, etc) it became a distraction for me from the otherwise convincing realism.
42  Gilmore Girls / Appreciation Threads / Re: Lorelai Gilmore / Lauren Graham Appreciation on: August 05, 2008, 07:39:34 am
Those are good points about Diane Keaton. In a movie such as "Something's Gotta Give" she was basically coasting along on the typical "Keaton" quirks and attributes she brings to roles (Jack Nicholson did the same in that movie). But i think she is such a good established actress that she can coast and still do an outstanding job. She was perfect for that role and it played up the idea of older people in romantic/sexual situations, something rarely seen in mainstream Hollywood movies. As thevoid pointed out, she was at her best with Woody Allen in the 1970s, where those "Keaton" quirks came into being. But it's thirty years later and considering how limited her movie options are now, she's doing pretty well for herself. I thought "Because I Said So" was awful but i don't blame her; it was just a lousy script and lousy direction and actors can only do so much to overcome those shortcomings.

The point of Keaton looking for roles in her 60s goes back to Lauren in her 40s. She has not fully established herself in movies and the reality is that, particularly at her age, roles will be limited. She has the talent and versatility to do great in drama and romantic comedy but she needs the opportunity. Not many movies come out of Hollywood to begin with in a typical year and they mostly cater to younger audiences and pander with endless sequels and special-effects extravaganzas. Independent films don't offer a wealth of opportunity either.
43  Gilmore Girls / General Discussion / Re: Unpopular Opinions Thread on: August 05, 2008, 07:25:02 am
Ha, it doesn't take much to see that Paris is a genius! And Paris might have wondered what they were doing at Yale, especially after all those years she spent busting her butt to get into a top school. But i like katie lou's thought, though it's a stretch, that artistic scholarships got them in.

Those are all good examples of their functionality for Rory. It kind of plays into Milk Keg's post about Lorelai, because Rory needed new people in her life and they served that purpose, if nothing else.

Thank you also for the reminder of their actual names; i think of them as the taller Tweedle and the shorter Tweedle.   
44  Gilmore Girls / Relationship Threads / Re: Literati (Rory and Jess) - He looked it up on: August 04, 2008, 08:19:53 pm
Laura, that is hilarious! You have not lost your touch. In fact, you're getting better & better!  Smiley

Very realistic, because pizza rules the universe. I would have freaked worse than Lorelai if i witnessed a pizza being dropped to the ground. But it's true, i always carry a spare!  Smiley I also love how you worked this week's Viewing Party episode into the story. Maybe Dean was the mysterious protester!  Shocked I also notice you reserved the comment on Luke's butt for yourself, like a true java junkie.
45  Gilmore Girls / General Discussion / Re: Movie Thread on: August 04, 2008, 07:29:31 pm
But my absolute favourite of the selection we got was Into the Wild.  Has anybody seen this?  Based on a true story with the screenplay and direction by Sean Penn.  It was brilliant.  Such a wonderful story that really had you experiencing the full range of human emotion.  And so brilliantly acted in especially by Emile Hirsch and Catherine Keener - they were my two favourite characters of the fantastic ensemble cast.  And even more fantastic is that this is based on somebody's real life experience.  Such an inspriation and uplifting movie and one that I will definately be buying to add to my collection.  And we've owned the soundtrack to it for a while now anyway, but now when I listen to it ...  I get to experience those feeling all over again.  Highly recommend this film.

I read the book a while back (highly recommended) and finally saw the movie. I agree with you Caryn, it is beautifully done. Big credit to Sean Penn for directing and writing, and the actors that you mentioned. I've liked Catherine Keener since i saw her in "Being John Malkovich." I also liked Hal Holbrook in his touching scenes. It was beautifully photographed and felt like a travelogue of the western U.S.  I've been to a few of those places (not Alaska) and it's fun seeing them in the movie.
My complaint is that Penn was largely uncritical of McCandless venturing into the Alaskan wilderness without adequate preparation. The book was similarly sympathetic to him but, being a book, there was more room to go into the pitfalls of what he did. I share the sympathy about what happened to the guy but he brought it on himself. A person should not expect to survive when going into that ultra rough wildnerness in such a haphazard manner. The book made it even clearer than the movie just how poorly prepared he was for that part of his adventure. For example, he did not bring a map or compass. He was not aware of other routes that could have lead to his survival, for example that the river was probably passable in other sections, or that there were cabins and roads to Denali National Park within walking range. If he had known about these things (and he should have known, which is the point), he would have survived. He was fortunate to survive as long as he did. I almost wonder if he had a death wish or if he was simply young and idealistic and too excited to think about the potential consequences of what he was doing.
I don't mean to sound too harsh towards him, because i love the aspect of him being a free spirit and living the life of a wayfarer. He had high ideals about finding a more meaningful life outside of the mainstream, with much integrity in his dealings with people.  He had his beliefs and he followed them.
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