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16  Gilmore Girls / General Discussion / Re: Music Thread on: August 20, 2008, 04:41:56 pm
I have noticed that "4th Time Around" has the same melody like "Norwegian Wood".  I think it was Dylan who decided to take that melody and into his own song as a nod to the Beatles.  He influenced them and they influenced him.  Makes sense.  Heard the Yo La Tengo cover of "4th Time Around" from the I'm Not There soundtrack?

Easily one of the best Dylan covers ever made and made it into my final list of the best songs of 2007. 

"Maggie's Farm" is amazing and it's one of the first ever "f*ck you" songs.  It was Dylan saying "f*ck you" to folk music. 

"I'm Not There" originally called "I'm Not There (1956)" is one of those famous songs that were made during those Basement Tapes sessions where Dylan is playing with the Band and he's just singing about this sad song about a woman leaving him and he's just making it all up as he goes along.  You can find that song now on that film's soundtrack.  It's easily one of Dylan's great, unreleased songs that is now out for the public to hear.
I listened to Yo La Tengo's version of "4th Time Around" on youtube and i like it as much as Dylan's.

I am aware of two covers of "Maggie's Farm" and they don't compare to Dylan's. The one by The Specials is ok but the one by Rage Against The Machine grates on me.

That sounds typical for the way Dylan and The Band wrote and recorded many of the songs on The Basement Tapes. So many of those songs are so-called throwaways and they are incredible. "Lo and Behold," "Yea! Heavy & A Bottle of Bread," "Please, Mrs. Henry" and many others. I've also read from one of the members of The Band how he and Dylan would take turns writing down lines for a song during the course of a day, each line picking up or not picking up logically from the previous line. Well, i'm pretty sure they were stoned at the time...

Dylan's voice is always a complaint of his detractors. I love his voice on his '60s and '70s recordings. Although i enjoy much of his music from the last ten years or so, i can hear why people are turned off by his voice.
17  Gilmore Girls / General Discussion / Re: Music Thread on: August 20, 2008, 08:07:15 am
^ Those are great songs, although i've never heard "I'm Not There." Ever notice that "4th Time Around" has the same tune as the Beatles "Norwegian Wood," which was released the previous year? I am addicted to "This Wheel's On Fire" from The Basement Tapes.

"Maggie's Farm" kills me, especially these lines:
No, I aint gonna work for Maggie's pa no more
Well, he puts his cigar out in your face just for kicks
His bedroom window it is made out of bricks
The National Guard stands around his door
Ah, I ain't gonna work for Maggie's pa no more.
18  Gilmore Girls / Unappreciation Threads / Re: Who's character you don't like and why? on: August 19, 2008, 10:41:41 pm
Ok so i dont agree with you on Lucy. Olivia yes. But on Lucy i thought she had a great spunky quirky attitude which i luved but i felt olivia was just her little sidekick.

I give you a lot of credit for finding a distinction between the two. They were interchangeable to me, except that the taller one dated Marty.
19  Gilmore Girls / Relationship Threads / Re: (Lane and Zach) on: August 19, 2008, 10:39:13 pm
Yeah, too bad Lane & Zach were out of town on their honeymoon when Thurston & Kim appeared in "Partings." Could have been a great jam session and meeting of the minds.
20  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.08 - Let the Games Begin on: August 19, 2008, 10:33:53 pm
That's a great point. And, who knows, maybe they would be able to create a few new happy memories during their Rory-less FNDs (in between the usual headaches). Richard was complimentary to Lorelai in "Bon Voyage" and "Unto The Breach," possibly a prelude to happier times. Took a near-death experience but sometimes that's what it takes!
21  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.08 - Let the Games Begin on: August 19, 2008, 10:25:10 pm
I tend to think, with the seemingly endless conflicts in the present, she is not allowing herself to remember any of the good times from her childhood, even if they were very few. I can imagine when she is much older she might be able to look back with a more balanced eye. But even then, memories of the many bad times will far out-weigh the few good times.
22  Gilmore Girls / General Discussion / Re: Music Thread on: August 19, 2008, 10:18:10 pm
I forgot about Blonde on Blonde! "Visions of Johanna" is possibly my favorite of many great songs on that one. There is a line in the song "Absolutely Sweet Marie" that goes, "to you live outside the law you must be honest." I always quote that line with a friend and we never seem to tire of discussing it. 
23  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.08 - Let the Games Begin on: August 19, 2008, 10:05:06 pm
Oh... does anyone think Emily and Richard still....?

Ewwwww!  I'd rather not put too much thought into it.  And yet I'm secretly hoping yes so that my own future doesn't look too bleak lol

... I find this episode really gives insight into how Richards relationship with Lorelai ended up where it did and also humanises him a great deal.

I second your Ewwwww, but i agree they are still active in that area. They are compatible in other ways after all these years, and i would include that way.

When Richard describes the 10 year old Lorelai taking his Yale diploma, the image of her as daddy's little girl comes as a jolt. I wish Rory had asked her about it later. When has Lorelai ever admitted to any such thing from her childhood? She always says she knew from a very young age that she didn't belong in their life. It's good to know all the later problems did not wipe out a happy memory for Richard. He doesn't have much else to cling to in their relationship.

The one thing that bugs me about Emily & Richard with their giddy courtship memories is the mention of Pennilyn (or Linnie) Lott. Knowing that Richard's secret "innocent" lunches with her will later be revealed takes the shine off their reminiscence.
24  Gilmore Girls / General Discussion / Re: Music Thread on: August 19, 2008, 09:50:51 pm
Anyone here likes Bob Dylan?   

I love Bob Dylan - wouldn't say I'm a huge fan, can't tell you much but always enjoy his stuff.  He's one of the musicians my hubby and I have on our list to delve into though - get the better albums (not necessarily the most popular) and so on.

I like Bob Dylan. My favorite albums include Highway 61 Revisited, Blood On The Tracks, The Basement Tapes and most of John Wesley Harding, Time Out Of Mind  and Love & Theft
25  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.07 - The Shoot Gilmores, Don't They? on: August 17, 2008, 10:46:07 am
The "Ho Ho" story is a Ha Ha! Kirk is a resourseful fella.

I see Fast Forwardy Town as saying to Rory, "you don't appreciate what you have until it's gone." She was only going to feel that way, if at all, after  they broke up. I mean, it wasn't even enough that Jess left town, she went after him. If Rory was exhausted about pandering to Dean's jealousy, she gave no sign of doing anything about it one way or the other, but instead to continue going through the motions with him. I don't see her as working hard to be good because each time she vowed to devote herself to Dean, it was about twenty seconds before she started gazing in Jess' direction again. She worked hard at living in the in-between zone between the two guys.

26  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.07 - The Shoot Gilmores, Don't They? on: August 17, 2008, 08:56:15 am
For a guy pushing forty wearing a backwards baseball cap, relative dignity is very, very relative! 

Although i'm not surprised Rory cries at the end, it bugs me because my sympathy is with Dean. Hey, she got what she wanted, right? What makes it fun for me is thinking up reasons for her tears:
- She realizes her first relationship/first love is officially over.
- She realizes she's been stomping on Dean's heart & she didn't even have the guts to put an end to it.
- All that wasted paper on bogus Jess-Dean pro-con lists. How many trees did she kill?
- She saw Dean making out with Shane... with his hand in her back pocket!
- She hates Jess' hair.
- Mrs. Kim's sandwich upset her tummy.
- She was secretly rooting for the four-in-four plan.
- They lost the dance contest.
- They lost the dance contest to Kirk.
- She has a secret crush on Kirk but she knows it will never work because his love is reserved for the trophy. 
27  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.07 - The Shoot Gilmores, Don't They? on: August 15, 2008, 01:05:31 pm
I picture Paris' revenge notebook with a star system, each star representing a level of revenge she wants to inflict on the perceived enemy. She'd include a few keywords for each name as a quickie word association reminder. Paris is detail-oriented that way.  Cool I'd pay serious money to read her diary if she kept one, and i can picture her face as the rage spews out onto the page.

Dean "shot" Rory but he was simultaneously shooting their relationship, one and the same. I'd estimate by the end of "A-Tisket..." the horse took a serious turn for the worse but there was the possibility of life-saving surgery. By the time of "Lorelai's Graduation Day" and especially "I Can't Get Started" Rory wounded the horse beyond hope and it laid there for months. The poor suffering beast was kicked into further agony along the way by Rory with her bogus pro-con lists, bogus resentment towards Jess and yearning gazes in the direction of Jess & Shane. 
Lorelai showed remarkable patience towards Sookie when she learned how Sookie had distorted her words. I know i would have been far more outwardly annoyed at her. I agree that Jackson is right, Lorelai has no "say" in how many kids they have and i'm sure Lorelai would concur. Lorelai's best friend came to her with a serious concern and she backed her up. If Sookie had bounced up to Lorelai and giddily told her she wants four-in-four, Lorelai would have likewise backed her up. Ok, she would have been stunned and possibly brought up a few practicalities beyond no alcohol, but she would have supported her and not tried to talk her out of it. So, yeah, Jackson got carried away in his anger and he needs to view his wife as a human and not a fertility machine, but Sookie escalated the issue beyond the confines of their home. Which brings me back to my original gripe about Sookie, that it's about time she got over her insecurities about losing Jackson's affections. I find it especially frustrating because she has shown how remarkably strong she is underneath her cheery exterior. On the few occasions when Lorelai has stepped out of line with her, she held her own. I know her dream guy is a different creature from her best friend, but still.

Dang, i could twist Lauren's words into thinking she crushed on Mr. Feeney! But that would be almost as scary-weird as four-in-four.  Shocked Boy Meets World  was cute but The Wonder Years  rocked (although it seemed like every episode had a special frickin' life lesson). Not to pit the two Savage brothers against each other or anything. I personally preferred Topanga over Winni or Winnie or Whiny or Whatever.
I also appreciate a good greasy spoon diner but not when the owner himself looks greasy and unwashed (i'm sure Caryn will assist in that area).  Wink
28  Episode Discussion / Season 1 / Re: 1.10 - Forgiveness and Stuff on: August 14, 2008, 11:44:02 pm
Yeah, the moment she might cherish most was Rory's conception. Smiley They found their personal space and made the most of it.
29  Episode Discussion / Season 1 / Re: 1.10 - Forgiveness and Stuff on: August 14, 2008, 11:11:46 pm
She cherished the window in her bedroom during her teenage years. Her path to a few hours of freedom. Smiley
30  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.07 - The Shoot Gilmores, Don't They? on: August 14, 2008, 11:07:21 pm
True, he was nicknamed "the godfather of grunge" for a while and that would be a closer reference point for Luke's age. But, despite how much L & R love his food (at no charge), i wouldn't want him cooking my breakfast. Fixing a shoe, ok.
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