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1  Gilmore Girls / General Discussion / Re: A Gilmore Revisiting - The Viewing Party (Bringing Tuesdays Back) on: November 02, 2008, 08:00:37 am
The forum has no screencaps for "Keg!Max!" and i couldn't find any when googling. Could be a problem for a VP banner.
2  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.18 - Happy Birthday, Baby on: November 02, 2008, 07:58:11 am
There is always baggage when Lorelai and Emily are in the same room and Lorelai has had her moments of pettiness when dealing with Emily. But when she gave the money to her parents she was being sincere in her gratitude and mature in her disposition. There was nothing veiled about it, no animosity or resentment. She told Emily she would continue visiting them, not every Friday, but i thought it was fairly clear they would not revert to the arrangement when the show started of them only seeing each other a few times each year. Lorelai underestimated Emily's reaction and should have anticipated an outburst. But i don't know how she could have handled it any differently, unless she mailed the money with a note. Emily's reaction was based entirely on their history and she was not paying any attention to Lorelai's demeanor. Lorelai was sincere when she pointed out that it would better if they got together voluntarily and not with a financial obligation over their heads. Lorelai would not interfere with Rory if she wanted to see her grandparents more often, such as visits after school, she might even encourage it. Lorelai pointed out to Rory afterwards that she was sincere in thanking her parents, she did not stick it to them in any way, shape or form. I can see an argument that she could have used the money for other purposes, such as putting it aside for Rory's college tuition or putting it towards the mortgage on her house. But financial and emotional independence from her parents is a huge deal to Lorelai and why shouldn't it be? She's late into her 30s and i view her in contrast to kids who leech off their parents well into adulthood without thinking anything of it. Nothing is ever simple between Lorelai and Emily, but Lorelai's intentions were good.

3  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.15 - Face-Off on: October 13, 2008, 04:24:02 pm
The x-factor in the Emily/Trix face-off is, as always, Richard. He always bugs me for passively allowing his wife to be verbally berated by his mother. In this episode, we discover he's not so passive after all and prefers they be at odds rather than in cahoots. What's his motive, divide and conquer? We know he over-ruled Gran's objections to their marriage, good for him in taking his own course, but he allows her to berate Emily because it serves his perceived purposes.
4  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.14 - Swan Song on: October 07, 2008, 02:15:47 pm
Maybe we just talked about it too much debating Rory's relationship acumen earlier - who's getting the shaft here, Rory, or Jess?

I'll go with Jess getting the shaft. Rory automatically thought the worst and decided he's guilty until proven innocent in the same manner as Lorelai and other people after the car accident. Rory is his girlfriend now and she should give him the benefit of the doubt. If she can't do that much, she shouldn't be with him.
5  Episode Discussion / Season 1 / Re: 1.02 - The Lorelais' First Day at Chilton on: September 28, 2008, 09:48:39 am
Rory's looooong hug with Lorelai after the awful first day is a sweet moment and also reminds me that the other students don't have such a relationship with their parents. Well, many kids don't but more so for those at Chilton. All we ever hear from Paris, Madeline and Louise is about divorces and financial scandals and being looked after by Portugese nannies. Rory had a big edge in her support from Lorelai.
6  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.13 - Dear Emily and Richard on: September 28, 2008, 09:44:00 am
The relationship between Lorelai and her parents is in something of a time warp. That's not unusual for parents and their children but for these characters the unresolved hurt and anger of the past is always just below the surface, ready to explode at any moment. Lorelai has pre-conceived ideas about what her parents will say and do, much of which is accurate, and it constantly colors her thoughts about them. For Emily, she never recovered from Lorelai running away from home with Rory. The same is true for Richard but, much as he adores Rory, he frets more over the pregnancy itself and how it derailed Lorelai's educational and career path.

I thought the actress who played teenage Lorelai was terrific and nit-picking about her eye color on this thread is besides the point. She captures the look and feel of Lorelai (much more than the young Christopher). The season 3 DVD contains a deleted scene from "Those Are Strings, Pinocchio," with the same actress portraying Lorelai in her early twenties with little Rory. They are at the Inn and young Lorelai is talking dreamily of their future. It didn't add anything to the story, which might be why it was not used in the episode, but it was good seeing young Lorelai again.
7  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.12 - Lorelai Out of Water on: September 18, 2008, 11:59:39 am
A "maybe" from Mrs. Kim is huge. Lane and Rory approach it like a couple of Nancy Drews trying to solve a mystery.
The sudden appearance of Kirk in the beauty shop never fails to crack me up. I'm guessing poor Shane got fired. All those personal phone calls while on the clock. Poor gal, first Jess dumps her and now this. But Kirk is a great employee. He knows the products, throws in samples and develops a rapport with the customers, wanting to know how the mask works out!
I agree about feeling no sympathy for Luke. Not that Luke would use Zach's come-on tactic, but he's not doing anything except waiting silently in the wings. Hearing about Alex prodded him to ask out Nicole, but so did Jess' needling. When your no-good teenage nephew can get the upper hand in the dating world, it's time for action.
It is difficult blocking out Fast Forwardy Land while watching Zach hit on Lorelai! Who would've thought?
I smile when the headmaster tells Rory & Paris "the world" sees Chilton in an unfavorable light as a result of their behavior. Perhaps he means word has spread around the school and possibly parents heard about their feud, but i almost wonder if he's so full of himself he imagines CNN covering the story. Rory and Paris were true to character after leaving the headmaster's office, with Rory thinking of peace and Paris refusing to budge.
8  Gilmore Girls / General Discussion / Re: A Gilmore Revisiting - The Viewing Party (Bringing Tuesdays Back) on: September 17, 2008, 06:41:41 am

SIDNEY, this is a beautiful banner, very creative. Kind of an Impressionist thing goin' on. Thanks for your contribution this week!† Smiley
9  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.11 - I Solemnly Swear on: September 10, 2008, 04:56:31 pm
Lorelai handled the deposition in her usual Lorelai manner, but her options were limited because she was under oath. She probably made herself look silly more than anything else and it was only to avoid doing worse harm to her mom by giving truly honest answers. Ok, what is the truth? But how was she supposed to answer some of those questions honestly under oath without doing more damage than she did? "Why has your mother dismissed maids in the past," for example. Even if she tried Emily's line of them not performing the services she asked, the lawyer might have pressed for details and no way an honest detailed answer would serve Emily well. "Would you say your mother sets impossible goals..." is another example. I suppose in the form of an opinion she could have lied by saying in her view her mother sets reasonable goals. But she told Emily she wouldn't lie and Emily's problem is that she truly doesn't think she sets impossible goals. Lorelai could have done better than her sarcastic answers but she could have done much worse with straightforward answers. I think in the real world Emily's lawyer would have prepped Lorelai beforehand to keep the befuddled silly answers to a minimum. Lorelai has proven on plenty of occasions (past and future) that she comes to the side of her parents when the chips are down. This wasn't her greatest moment of loyalty but she was in a tight spot.
10  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.10 - That'll Do, Pig on: September 03, 2008, 08:15:53 am
It was only two episodes ago that Dean closed the window on Rory's apology and said he might someday forgive her, but that day came mighty soon, suspiciously soon. He seems sincere at the pie shop, but it's the motivation of revenge that comes through strongest when he confronts Jess. How much does he really want Rory back and how much is simply to turn the tables on Jess? More than that, why does he want Rory back, aside from the revenge factor? Is this the typical Gilmore mystique, the way he's craving her again? Is she Rory the angel with all the blame thrown on Jess?†
I agree with Lauren/205 about Lorelai's ability to avoid the low road and support Emily when Gran is on the attack. That's how Lorelai always is when the chips are down for either of her parents, she comes to their side. When Emily showed sympathy for Lorelai at Thanksgiving it was more of an exception from her side, a continuation of her dissatisfaction with Richard's handling of the Yale visit. But Emily is certainly capable of bonding with Lorelai even when the chips are not down, such as her attempt when they visited the spa. While there are obvious parallels between Gran's treatment of Emily and Emily's treatment of Lorelai, Gran is much more severe towards Emily. With Gran, it's complete hostility towards Emily, not a single word that is anything less. It sounds absurd when Emily calls Gran "mom," but perhaps she's stretching for some bit of cordiality. And it always annoys me when Richard doesn't say a word in defense of his wife. The focus here is on the Gilmore women and it's easy to overlook Richard seemingly oblivious to Emily's distress. Can't he politely ask his own mother in private to ease up?
No shortage of great dialogue, including:
CLARA: Do you wash your hair?
JESS: Yes, I wash my hair.
CLARA: Then why does it stick up like that?
11  Gilmore Girls / General Discussion / Re: Music Thread on: August 27, 2008, 10:57:13 pm
I'm not a fan of ambient music, but i like Eno's music for the movie Traffic, especially the music during the closing credits. I forgot about his great work with Bowie, including "Heroes" and most of the Low and Lodger albums. The spacey music in the second half of Low doesn't particularly interest me, except "Warszawa."
12  Gilmore Girls / General Discussion / Re: Music Thread on: August 27, 2008, 07:43:29 am
Anyone into Brian Eno?

Wow, i actually see a familiar name on this thread. I love Eno's hard-to-find early solo albums, Taking Tiger Mtn., Here Come The Warm Jets and Another Green World. Not to mention his contributions to early Roxy Music and production of Talking Heads and U2.
13  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.09 - A Deep Fried Korean Thanksgiving on: August 27, 2008, 07:40:24 am
For me this was completely an episode for the supporting characters to shine.† Sookie is just great at her Thanksgiving cookout.† Her expressions and attitude to the whole deepfrying thing were brilliant.† And I can't believe how rowdy Jackson's freinds/family are.† For me though it seems a tad out of character for Jackson to be that way, but if he wasn't then we never would have had the whole 5 stages of grief speech from Sookie or know that she was totally "enscotched". Cheesy

It's always a big plus for me when the supporting characters are out front & center. And they all shine at their brightest. I love when Mrs. Kim shoots down the chocolate turkey, "what do i do with this?" She stands apart for never holding back. She speaks her mind and it's right out there. Speaking of speaking her mind, Babette giving Rory kissing advice, "You gotta give it a little something!" Sookie and Jackson have never been more loveable and hilarious. Sookie has more of an edge when she's drunk and i like it! Kirk is super hilarious and, as always, pathetic and sympathetic. I don't think he ever topped Cat Kirk. He's got until episode 3.18 to heal, just in time for his severe cheese burns from the giant birthday pizza!† Cheesy Even Dean is unintentionally funny to me when he tells Jess, "This is my town, i'm not hiding" because i always think of an old-time western showdown with Clint Eastwood or something.† †
I agree with Caryn about being disappointed with Lorelai here, although i always feel a bit of sympathy when she twists herself inside over her parents. Of all the things Rory should feel the need to conceal from her mom, and i don't blame her. For other teenagers it's sex or drugs (or a non-Korean boyfriend), but for Rory it's an application to Yale! As my own mom used to say, "this should be the worst of your problems." Fortunately for herself, she knows what she needs to do and she does it. She didn't allow her mom's attitude on the subject to stop her from submitting the application.† After Lorelai's meltdown, Rory is all concerned that Lorelai is "mad." She meant angry-mad, but she could have meant the other kind.†

Gotta make room for Paris:
PARIS: Harvard is going to be expecting Thanksgiving shelter work. Theyíll know I called too late and it will totally impugn my organizational skills. By the way, you know I ultimately do all these things for the good of mankind, right?
RORY: Oh yeah.
PARIS: Sometimes I donít think I come off that way.

14  Gilmore Girls / General Discussion / Re: Music Thread on: August 24, 2008, 09:20:47 pm
I just got some new ABBA!! haha! This is great!

And I also just got Grease (soundtrack) again! I love those songs! Such feel good songs!

ABBA! The guiltiest of guilty pleasures. Who can resist? But i draw the line at seeing the movie, not a chance. Grease is not a guilty pleasure, it's simply a pleasure. Those Su-ummer Ni-iiiiights... Smiley
15  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.08 - Let the Games Begin on: August 21, 2008, 07:42:07 am
Lukeís lecture to Jess was fantastic.† It's fun to watch Luke go from being a cheerleader of the Rory/Jess coupling to the paranoid guardian in a matter of minutes.† I imagine that having skipped the formative years of raising a kid itís harder to just let it be as Lorelai was doing at the end of the episode.† Of course, imo, heís justified to be suspicious but nonetheless itís endearing.†

It's sweet in a way that Luke is protective of Rory, but he takes it to an extreme with all of her boyfriends. He's like Richard in this way (except with Logan), but Richard has the excuse of being her grandfather. Luke genuinely likes Rory, but his excuse is the wanna-be lover of her mom. He's an agent of goodness here but it often seems weird the way he looks at her with boyfriends, starting with Dean, as though she's a Virgin Goddess or something. Of course it's different that his not-to-be-trusted nephew is involved this time, so that is a factor.†
Luke was pro-active where protecting Rory's virtue was concerned, but he was reactive where Jess' education was concerned. I notice this difference in the way Luke treated two situations where Jess can't be trusted. He always feared the worst about Jess and school but never seemed to find out the ugly details until it was too late. He made efforts before he shipped Jess back to NY, such as the tutoring idea, but this time around it all seems to be on the faith of Jess' word. The sad part is that even if he was pro-active about Jess it wouldn't have mattered because Jess was going to do what he wanted. Maybe deep down Luke sensed that Jess' education was beyond his help, but with Rory-Jess he felt he could exert some kind of effective authority (which didn't have much effect either).
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