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1  Episode Discussion / Season 2 / Re: 2.19 - Teach Me Tonight on: April 03, 2007, 05:41:18 am
It's a reference to Courtney Love. Earlier in the scene Rory referrences Kurt Cobain ( lead singer of Nirvana and teen angst icon) who is Courtney Love's husband, and this is Jess's cute way of saying that if he is Kurt Cobain then Rory is his Courtney.
2  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.02 - Haunted Leg on: March 27, 2007, 02:36:34 am
I know everyone hates Rory in this episode but there is something cute about her in it at the same time. She kept Dean because it was familiar and she didn't want the hassel of breaking up with him. Perhaps she was waiting until she returned from Washington to break it off in person? Had Jess not had a girlfriend when she returned, do you think she would've stayed with Dean? I don't. I think in Rory's mind she was planning on coming home to be with Jess, sort things out, break-up with Dean and move on.
And I think the main reason both of them were mad was because they weren't with each other and they knew they wanted each other. Jess was mad that Rory was with Dean and Rory was mad that Jess was with Shane. It was really a case of jealousy on both parts and frustration that they weren't together. There was something about it that was almost cute; their fighting to hide the real feelings. Sure, I agree that Jess had every right to be mad with her but I think he just loves her. He really isn't mad with her until she gets mad with him and then he reminds her of the situation and how they got there.

It's all a bit romantic and childish and funny and annoying and cute. But mostly, they just want to be together.
3  Episode Discussion / Season 4 / Re: 4.19 - Afterboom on: March 27, 2007, 02:28:39 am
Jason isn't my most favorite pairing of Lorelai's boyfriends (that would be Max) but I think they had some things in common.  They had the same type of humor and wisecracks.  Like when Lorelai went to confront him about Emily's dinner party, he matched her wisecrack for wisecrack.  He also was willing to have a date outside a supermarket, instead of the date he had planned. 

As for suing Richard, lets not forget that before that, Richard did everything he could to make sure Jason couldn't work at all.

I'm with you on the Max thing! I love Luke and I loved seeing Luke and Lorelai get together but I still loved Max and Lorelai as a couple more. They were great, and when they pulled the "I don't love him" storyline out, it didn't seem to fit for me.
4  Episode Discussion / Season 4 / Re: 4.13 - Nag Hammadi is Where They Found the Gnostic Gospels on: March 24, 2007, 07:48:57 am
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He could have been a lot less nasty and still gotten his point across.

He wasn't all that 'nasty'. For an argument with a teenage, angst ridden boy who has every right to be mad in this situation, I think it was pretty much standard response. I think Luke made it sound much more harsh in his summary to Lorelai than it actually was and once agian Lorelai, while I think it is cute her going out to protect her man, had no right to get in the middle of family business.
5  Episode Discussion / Season 6 / Re: 6.18 - The Real Paul Anka on: March 24, 2007, 03:56:37 am
I totally agree that there is more to the Jess and Rory story. There was never an ending to their relationship and their feelings and their connection. In alot of ways I don't think either of them have fully moved on or passed the other.  I hope they bring Jess back into the storyline but I doubt they will or can as Milo seems reluctant to return to the show.

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Do you think that if Logan hadn't cheated on Rory, and she wasn't mad at him,she would have gone to Philly,without telling Logan?

I think I answered this earlier in the thread, but I do think that Rory would've gone to Philly regardless of her relationship, whatever the state it's in, with Logan. I said earlier that I thought her behaviour at the party would've been different, but I'm not so sure now. I think there is still a chemistry between Jess and Rory; they have a certain flirtatious energy hat is obvious. I don't think the kiss would've happened at all but I do think there would be an air of flirtation between them. On some level, I don't think they will ever just be "friends". There is always something more lying just under the surface, and I think that may be the problem in this episode. Maybe this is why people are seeing it as a goodbye and why it feels to some like a goodbye. Perhaps Jess is realising that he can't be aroundRory without wanting something more and Rory can't be around Jess without knowing there is something more.
6  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.19 - Keg! Max! on: March 19, 2007, 01:34:58 am
I don't think either of them were right for her at that moment. I think Jess could've been right for her if he'd gotten himself together and people had actually given him a chance without all the judging. But, Jess still needed to "find himself" (how Dr Phil is that? lol) He had to go off and be something before he could be something for someone else.
Dean, in my opinion, was never right for Rory. He was never good for her and he was never going to be. When he married lindsay I think he showed firstly how silly and ridiculous he was and second the kind of life he was after. He wanted the Stars Hollow, work all day in your labourers job, getting your hands dirty and then at night coming home to the wife for a hot meal on the table, kind of life. There is nothing wrong with that scenario, it's just that Rory never fit into it. He may not have loved her because of his feelings for Rory bt Lindsay was perfect for him. She was his fit. Rory wasn't.
Jess was different again. He didn't really have a path at all. He was more of a free spirit. He could live in the world of a book and that would suit him just fine. Regardless of his teen angst and his rebellious nature, there was always a sense that one day Jess would shake off his problems and do something amazing with himself. Which he did.  I think Rory and Jess compliment each other well. He was more of a free spirit thinker and she was the down to earth thinker. Both of them with their heads firmly stuck in a book.

I dont think Jess and Dean fought to get a rise out of each other, they did it to win over Rory. They were both in love with her. The fight they had had nothing to do with each other. It was protection in Dean's eyes and self defence in Jess's. If anything I think both boys would be happy to see the back of the other one. I don't think they cared about the "rise" at all.
7  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.19 - Keg! Max! on: March 18, 2007, 05:23:33 am
What an excellent point, soxgrrl33. You are so right, for someone who is trying to convince Rory that he has found happiness in his new relationship he sure is quick to jump into hers and make a complete mess. In fact, I think Dean was a huge factor in the break-up of Rory and Jess. While Jess ultimately was the reason for Dean and Rory to break-up, he had her for 2 years and she fell in love with someone else. Dean was causing trouble in their relationship from the start and they never had a real shot together without  everyone else getting in the way.
Dean should not have started a fight with Jess when he had no idea what had happened between he and Rory.
8  Episode Discussion / Season 4 / Re: 4.13 - Nag Hammadi is Where They Found the Gnostic Gospels on: March 18, 2007, 05:09:23 am
Rory definitely isn't over him in this episode. The way she is trying to avoid him and her face when she sees him and the way she keeps telling herself that "he'll be gone soon" and her speech when they finally get to talk at the end; all of it proves she is still hung up on him. She is trying her best not to be but it was so unresolved and open ended I don't think she really got a chance to move on or get passed Jess. Her face when Jess says "I Love You" is beautiful. You can almost hear her heart break. She does love him back, i think, but I think they both know that there is alot to be done before anything between them can be right again.
When I said Stars Hollow and Rory haunts Jess it isn't necessarily in a bad way. It's also his inspiration to be something better. It's almost as if he holds that time in his life up as the turning point. It's almost like the best and worst time of his life.
9  Episode Discussion / Season 2 / Re: 2.13 - A-Tisket, A-Tasket on: March 18, 2007, 04:58:59 am
I agree with you Crackrobat. I think that Rory obviously fell in "puppy love" with Dean, but from the get go, it seemed like she was always trying to force herself to enjoy and appreciate the relationship. Tristan and her was the prequel, and her and Jess were the main act. I love the episode because in it, I think that Rory finally starts to admit to herself that maybe Dean isnt the one that she is supposed to be with (not that I was crazy about Jess) but, it really starts to show the maturation of Rory Gilmore. I think that this episode was a big transition for the show.

you're right, Rory does start to mature from here on in. You can almost see her go through the stages. Dean was a cute first boyfriend who was never right for her from the start. Onpaper he was perfect; steady, dependable, nice, got on well with everyone but in reality he was never right for Rory. She had moved passed him before they even got together. She was always trying to make him something he wasn't and pushing him in the direction she thougt he needed to go. It was all about turning him into the boyfriend that was right for her but it never worked because you can't change somebody that much. What she found in Jess was a kindred spirit and someone who had spark. He pushed her, challenged her, made her more passionate and drove her crazy but at least he made her feel something. It was always just so, so with Dean. Even if you look at her choice of boyfriend now, in Logan you see the same exciting qualities that you had with Jess. He may not be the dependable guy that you can always count on, but he has something that makes him interesting and he has a passion that Dean couldn't find.
10  Episode Discussion / Season 6 / Re: 6.18 - The Real Paul Anka on: March 17, 2007, 09:49:13 am
I think they are friends and I think Rory is intrigued by him all over again. When he first came back in this season and they were sitting in Rory's room, they were both nervous. It was almost similar to the first time they attempted to kiss in Luke's apartment just after they'd gotten together. Even the way that Jess tells Rory he is nervous too and she replies by saying she's thankful she isn't alone is reminiscent of their meeting in Luke's appartment when they feel like "morons" together.

I just think there is something more to Jess and Rory. Their connection is deeper and Jess alludes to this in the earlier episode when he tells Rory he "knows her better than anyone".
11  Episode Discussion / Season 2 / Re: 2.13 - A-Tisket, A-Tasket on: March 17, 2007, 07:39:52 am
  He was never that possessive before Jess arrived. His behaviouris all in response to Jess and Rory's budding connection/relationship.

Thats.Not.True.Hes.just.a.jelouse.guy.Need.I.remind.you.of.Tristan?Very.Jelouse.
im.not.saying.Jess.had.nothing.to.do.with.it,cause
he.did.

But once again, don't you think he had a right to be jaelous of Tristan? Here is another case of Rory not really being all that interested in Dean and falling (in a small way) for somebody else. I think it's a lead up to Jess and her allowing herself to fall for Jess. It once again goes to show that Rory was never really interested in or by Dean. She got bored of him easily and quickly. All he really had going for him was his dependability. I think Rory liked the idea of Dean but I don't think she actually liked being with him. The reality of it was boring....until he was a married man and she needed stability. He was exciting because he was off limits and it was an affair. I think Rory turned Dean into a jealous person and created a monster.
12  Episode Discussion / Season 2 / Re: 2.13 - A-Tisket, A-Tasket on: March 16, 2007, 03:29:01 am
Dean does get a little stalkerish with his constant phonecalls and his washing the car and waiting on the doorstep; but it's then that he actualy comes out with "She likes Jess, doesn't she?" comment. He's finally letting the words say what his actions were screaming for weeks.
Dean knows he's losing her and he can feel her slipping away or into Jess's arms, I should say.  He was never that possessive before Jess arrived. His behaviouris all in response to Jess and Rory's budding connection/relationship.

Jess's bridge is fabulous. I love how it turns into a place for Rory to go almost when she wants to think about Jess.

Most of all I love the phonecall and the way Rory really has no reason to call Jess at all, just that she wants to talk to him and hear his voice. He totally saves her when he says "I'm glad you called" as she had no response to him asking "why" she'd called.

Am I the only one who thinks it is totally cute seeing Jess at the end, laying on his bed with his sox on, reading his book. I just love the cuteness of that whole scene.
13  Episode Discussion / Season 4 / Re: 4.21 - Last Week Fights, This Week Tights on: March 16, 2007, 02:29:14 am
So your saying Rory didn't love Jess now? I don't think that has anything to do with it, she could love Jess very much, but not go away with him because he's unpredictable (as she said in the next episode).

No, i don't think she did love him anymore. I mean in the next episode when she's talking to Lane about what happened with Jess the conversation quickly turns into being about Dean and how great he was. She wanted Dean, not Jess. Which she proved the next episode when they slept together.

I tend to disagree with this. I think I have said this before but I in my opinion Rory's connection to Dean is borne from her frustration and anger over what happened between she and Jess. The conversation she has with Lane the next day, to me, confirms it. She is upset with the fact that Jess is so unreliable and can't be depended upon and this leads her back to that safe feeling she had with Dean. It wasn't love or excitment it was pure safety and familiarity. Dean never excited her or challenged her or stretched her. He was a cute little lap dog that followed around after her. He was boring but he was dependable. When she talks about Dean always being there for her it's almost as if she is saying "he would never do what Jess did". I feel it's all reactionary. If you look at her later choice in boyfriend (Logan) you can see that she once again goes for the boy who is exciting, dangerous, intelligent, challenging and ultimately not safe.

I also think that Jess coming back to her dorm and asking her to run away with him was, in a way, to show that although he had changed and grown alot since leaving Stars Hollow, he was still lost and running away from all his problems. He was still the same old Jess expecting everything to just fall into place and not really seeing the real life ramifications. If he really wanted to show Rory he was serious and was ready to be relied upon, he needed to tell her he was staying in Stars Hollow and he was going to fight for them to be together. In the end, Rory made the right choice not to run away with him, but it led to the wrong choice of sleepng with a  married man.
Plus, is it just me or was there absolutely no passion, or fire between Rory and Dean? They were so dull together it wasn't funny.
14  Gilmore Girls / Show and Cast Member News / Re: Gilmore Girls ------Last Season on: March 15, 2007, 01:05:49 am
^ ^ That's what happened in my dream! Lucy was mad at Rory again (it was all very lame) and then all of a sudden it cut to Luke and Lorelai playing with their hobbit-kids in the park, and it was all sunny, and Rory and Jess were spooning on the grass, and it was like 2, 3 years in the future.

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Unless like in the OC, they show what they ended up like 2 years later

I got the same impression; that we'd get a quick jump ahead to a look at where they all ended up. If that's the case you may not even need Milo to appear (although I'd love him to, just saying this because I know he has said he doesn't wish to return) it could just mention the fact that Rory and Jess are now married with kids living blissfully happy in their lives as pulitzer prize winning author and overseas correspondent. lol  Tongue Plus, seeing Luke and Lor together with kids would be amazing.
As i said, just a happy ending would do me fine with everything the way it should be. 
15  Episode Discussion / Season 6 / Re: 6.18 - The Real Paul Anka on: March 15, 2007, 12:52:13 am
I think she would've attended it regardless of her anger towards Logan. I just think the way she handled herself at the party would've been drastically different. I doubt she would be as open and flirty as she was with Jess, but I still think she would be there. For whatever reason there is, and I think always will be, a connection between Jess and Rory.
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