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1  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.21 - Unto the Breach on: May 09, 2007, 04:41:15 pm
As far as the idea of their break-up not being good for the show to end on, I think they forced it to make the last few episodes work. If they were together, how could Luke and Lorelai get back together in a way that would be satisfying and meaningful to the fans? Rory and Logan would have blissfully been making wedding/relocation plans, and Lorelai would have been devastated that her best friend and daughter was going to be moving 3000 miles away. Not much room in there for Luke, except to comfort Lorelai, maybe, if she'd let him after all the uncertainty in their relationship up until that point. I think that's the rub here--they had to tie up loose ends, they had to get Luke and Lorelai back together, and they couldn't have Lorelai literally looking as though she'd lost her best friend. Personally, I think the Rory/Logan break-up was logistical more than character-driven.
2  Gilmore Girls / Show and Cast Member News / Re: It's Here: Lauren Graham's Final Gilmore Girls Interview - 05.06.07 on: May 09, 2007, 08:32:58 am
Good question! So, what changes did you ask for?
Graham: My feeling was [the episode] just felt too light to me — even as a season finale. I thought this should be an opportunity to say good-bye, or at least have some sort of acknowledgement of all these characters. And we had this opportunity because there's a party in the town, and I just felt that I wanted it to be more dramatic. And David Rosenthal was extremely responsive — more than he needed to be. So he went back and took another look at it, with more of an eye to, "How can we acknowledge all of these characters? Give everyone a moment." I felt it was important to go a little deeper.
I appreciate this. One thing I came away with last night was feeling the need to say "goodbye" to all the characters, not just get Lorelai & Rory's love relationships wrapped up. They already brought closure for Zack, Christopher & Paris, as well as Yale, but I'm glad to hear that the last time with everyone else will feel like the last time.
3  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.21 - Unto the Breach on: May 09, 2007, 08:25:05 am
Well, this episode definitely felt like a wrap-up episode. Last week's did too, to some extent.

Sookie's comment about not publicly serenading Luke if she didn't want the whole town involved was pretty funny. Did Lorelai forget that she lived in Stars Hollow?

Lorelai in the diner--Luke should know better than to take anything seriously that Lorelai is saying to Babette and Miss Patty...what was she going to say? "Yes, I love Luke and I'm hoping we can work things out"?

Emily/Richard--I loved the song, but it seemed VERY un-Emily.

Logan/Rory--I honestly was expecting a much more grandiose proposal from the king of grandiose, I thought the proposal would be his crowning achievement. It was sweet though.


Paris--What the heck? They've gone back and forth between best friends and bitter enemies for 7 years, and that was the extent of their goodbyes?

Rory's refusal/Lorelai's advice--I think it showed a very TV view of love. As did Christopher and Lorelai's marriage. I think it's normal and natural for anyone to feel some hesitation, especially when they're in the biggest transition of their life. I could see asking for a longer engagement and using that time to figure out what she wanted professionally and find a way to make their lives work together. I think Lorelai's advice was a reflection of her experiences--with Luke she didn't want to hesitate, with Christopher she did and it didn't work out. But I have a hard time thinking there's someone out there that is better suited for Rory than Logan. Though if she ended up back with Jess, I wouldn't complain. Smiley

Previews--it was just WRONG of the CW to show what they did. Of course we all know what's going to happen, but they should have left a little something to the imagination. Angry
4  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.18 - Hay Bale Maze on: April 24, 2007, 02:22:43 pm
Along those lines, another thought is that Logan is a college graduate. Once you graduate from college the jobs you are willing to take tend to define who you are and where you end up, career-wise. For Logan to take a month or two and think about what he's doing is probably better than getting in line at McDonald's to flip burgers--if he has money he can live off of.
5  Gilmore Girls / Cast and Characters / Re: If you could take someone off of Gilmore Girls who would it be on: April 18, 2007, 12:22:48 pm
There are people that annoy the tar out of me, but I would never want them removed from the show.

I was supremely happy to see Dean go, as well as Christopher. And I never liked Gigi all that much.

At this point I would say that Jackson is the only regular character that I don't have a deep, abiding affection for. I could take or leave him.
6  Gilmore Girls / Unappreciation Threads / Re: Flyswatters Club #1- Chris loathers thread! on: April 18, 2007, 10:03:04 am
I'm not a hardcore loather....but everytime I see the "fo shizzle" on the t-mobile commercial I want to jab something sharp into my head. :Smiley
7  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.18 - Hay Bale Maze on: April 18, 2007, 09:23:53 am
Someone already answered that question in this thread--Logan said KNICKERS. Smiley

knick·ers      /ˈnɪkərz/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[nik-erz] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun (used with a plural verb)
1.   Also, knick·er·bock·ers      /ˈnɪkərˌbɒkərz/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[nik-er-bok-erz] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation. loose-fitting short trousers gathered in at the knees.
2.   Chiefly British.
a.   a bloomerslike undergarment worn by women.
b.   panties.
3.   British Informal. a woman's or girl's short-legged underpants.
4.   to get one's knickers in a twist, British Slang. to get flustered or agitated: Don't get your knickers in a twist every time the telephone rings.
8  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.18 - Hay Bale Maze on: April 18, 2007, 09:00:09 am
Great episode! I thought the maze symbolism was cute--the L/L scene could have been a bit more subtle, but it was still cute.

I definitely didn't think Logan was belittling the town....I think especially now he has a better appreciation for what it represents. As far as his interaction with Lorelai, I think what was missing is an understanding on his part of how his decisions affect Rory, which was Lorelai's concern. But I do think Lorelai was able to accept Logan as a person, which made her able to accept him as part of Rory's life. I was a little worried in the conversation before the maze that he didn't understand that making a relationship permanent is more than just "factoring each other in"...he didn't actually say that he'd go wherever she went, though that was implied when they went in the maze.

As for next week's episode, I won't give anything away as I know there are SPREEs here, but remember the CW has been known to grossly misinterpret scenes in their teasers. I would imagine that Lorelai is probably dreaming in most of those scenes--I don't think she would dress that way unless it was for some town thing.
9  Gilmore Girls / Show and Cast Member News / Re: For the love of Stars Hollow, will someone please cancel Gilmore Girls? - 4. on: April 12, 2007, 02:49:17 pm
I agree with GilmoreGuy for the most part. I don't think it's anti-Gilmore to not want the show to continue as it is. Personally, I could go either way. I have a hard time seeing how they can come up with enough solid material to produce a quality show for another year. The idea of going that long with the Luke & Lorelai relationship unresolved doesn't appeal to me at all, but I can't see them living happily ever after making for good TV. Rory & Logan engaged could be good for a few episodes, as could Rory starting her career...but honestly none of these is all that compelling to me. I do love Gilmore Girls and would happily keep watching if they were able to sustain a good story line, I just don't see that happening.

I know this isn't a popular opinion....but I personally would rather watch the DVDs for the rest of my life than see the show run itself into the ground, just for the sake of not ending it.
10  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.17 - Gilmore Girls Only on: March 07, 2007, 03:48:55 pm
I still haven't seen where Emily goes further than her own hurt.  Or Richard, for that matter.  I see the evidence being thrown in their faces, but instead of them actually acknowledging it, they throw up a brick wall to not deal with it.  So, we get Emily seeing the potting shed, but instead of a sense of her looking at it a little bit from Lorelai's view, she shuts down in her own anger. 
Right. Emily's response to the potting shed wasn't one of empathy at all, it was more "Why on earth would my daughter choose to live this way when she could be in my home?". Emily has never understood her shortcomings and owned up to them. Lorelai doesn't see her mom's point of view all that well either, but she's not nearly as resistant to it as Emily.
11  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.17 - Gilmore Girls Only on: March 07, 2007, 12:16:19 pm
I think I would have appreciated Mia's return more if she had been mentioned more than once in the past five years. We saw her in season 2 and then I don't remember any mention of her again. I just assumed that the book was closed on Mia and I was OK with that.

I see how the parallels between Rory and Lorelai both leaving home are iimportant, I just didn't think that Mia was a necessity again, especially after she had been absent for so long  (from the show). Furthermore, if Mia had to be in the episode (which to some extent I see where you are coming from) why have them travel to NC? Why not have Mia return to Stars Hollow?

It just seems strange to me, to reintroduce a character that the audience saw once.
It might have been a bit on the sloppy side, but I think Mia's presence provokes Emily's hurt over Lorelai in a way nothing else does. Especially now that the Independence Inn is no more. I think Mia affirmed Emily's role as Lorelai's mother as being irreplaceable and clued Lorelai into Emily's hurt. Everyone else seems to be pretty firmly in either the Emily camp or the Lorelai camp...Mia is the only one who seemed to be able to mediate between the two.
12  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.17 - Gilmore Girls Only on: March 07, 2007, 10:23:06 am
yep, "hay bale maze" is going to be aired according to on the 24th of april,

Not the best episode, I don't think it contributed much to the story line or any of the characters (except maybe Logan, and possibly Lorelai and Emily)., but I still enjoyed the Gilmore-ness of it.

I do think that Logan has changed considerably since Rory met him. Honestly, it's a bit baffling to me to think that someone would think that he's the same guy now as the one who talked down to Marty, drank all the time, slept around and relied on the Huntzberger name for everything while simultaneously despising everything that went along with it. The old Logan definitely comes up at times, but I think those are usually prompted by difficult situations. Who can say that isn't true of them? He worked with a beautiful woman and barely seemed to notice her as anything more than a coworker, he left the party life behind, and seems to relate to "commoners" better than he used to (e.g. the dinner with Marty and what' wasn't the best night overall, but he wasn't condescending to them).

I think it will be really interesting to see how not having money effects Logan. I'm sure he won't be broke (and of course, Rory has a trust fund), but he won't be able to do things like rent helicopters and hire coffee carts anymore. I do think it was good for him to make a clean break from Mitchum, and to see that he is able to do things on his own. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some sort of reconciling between the two of them at some point.
13  Gilmore Girls / Unappreciation Threads / Re: WE HATE GIGI! on: February 28, 2007, 04:14:52 pm
I don't think it's that unbelievable that she could be so changed after a year of good parenting. Being a mom myself, I can say that structure and consistent discipline do wonders for children.

However, I don't think her character contributed much to the show, and kids on grown-up TV shows tend to bug me. So I'm not sorry she's gone. Smiley

ETA: and Gigi's a Hayden, not a Gilmore. BIIIIG difference. Wink
14  Episode Discussion / Season 6 / Re: 6.18 - The Real Paul Anka on: February 28, 2007, 03:35:39 pm
One thing that I really appreciated was Jess's response when Rory pulled away. He picked up on what she was doing and said "I don't deserve this." I thought that showed how much he's grown. He had no self-respect before, now he's chiding Rory for treating him badly, when at one point he might have welcomed it.
15  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.16 - Will You Be My Lorelai Gilmore? on: February 28, 2007, 03:32:17 pm
I agree Dani (and I loved your Anne of Avonlea reference!). One mistake doesn't invalidate 9 months of near perfection. Assuming Logan doesn't do anything unsafe or immoral in Vegas, I don't see any reason why he can't come back and move forward, professionally and in his relationship with Rory (and maybe even Mitchum).
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