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1  Gilmore Girls / Show and Cast Member News / Re: "Relieved" show is over; Lauren wishes AS-P had come back to write finale on: May 09, 2007, 08:05:35 pm
Guess I am just not a nice person, because I don't give a damn if ASP is involved in the finale or not. She couldn't strike a deal with the network, she threw the show into the turmoil and mess that was Season 6. Yippee. Why would I want her back?

Truthfully, I thought episodes 7.19 and 7.20 were some of the best in the show's history which tells me that DR CAN do it just as well as ASP. If that effort goes into 7.22 I'll learn to be pleased with it despite the fact that given that the eppy was written without definitive knowledge that it was the SERIES finale, it can never satisfy.

What irritates me is that if there was NEVER any hope of a season 8 because LG and AB didn't want to maintain the schedule, why ever tease the fans about it? Say no, it's not going to happen because we're tired and that's that. What was the point of negotiations if they wanted a lesser work load but admit that that would compromise the integrity of the show? Makes no sense to me.

I don't know why but I'm not at all interested in a two-hour wrap up movie or special. As much as it sucks, I'd prefer to just let it go at this point and imagine my own 'best' ending.
2  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.21 - Unto the Breach on: May 08, 2007, 06:36:59 pm
This episode had a few great moments, but overall it was very disappointing. Almost boring, not emotional for me at all. I didn't feel any of the tension I think I was supposed to feel. Logan/Rory. Whatever. Christopher. Whatever. Blah. Blah. Blah.

And what the heck is up with those promos? They didn't leave much to the imagination, did they? Jeez, that was stupid.

3  Gilmore Girls / Show and Cast Member News / Re: No Season 8 on: May 03, 2007, 06:34:22 pm
^ ASP wasn't the cause. She didn't destroy it.
I could say more, but I'm sure GilmoreGuy78 will probably put his two cents in soon. When there's anything regarding ASP, he normally has something to say. Plus, I don't know every detail of her leaving, so I'll leave that to someone else.
It has nothing to do with her leaving, but in the decisions she made regarding what happened on screen when she was still in charge. For me this show was destroyed quite a while back. It was just coming back to life in the last few weeks, all in vain, apparently.
4  Gilmore Girls / Show and Cast Member News / Re: No Season 8 on: May 03, 2007, 03:02:34 pm
I am so much more upset by this news than I thought I would be.  Angry

It's due to the fact that in these last weeks, I felt like I had my show back. Only to have it ripped away.  Cry

I don't know how to watch the last two episodes without the bittersweet cloud of this bad news dampening my enjoyment.

I will always hate what ASP ended up doing to the brilliant show she created. She created it and destroyed it.
5  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.20 - Lorelai? Lorelai? on: May 02, 2007, 11:41:13 am
It seems to me that for all of Lorelai's supposed JOURNEY this season, she is still not admitting the most obvious things to herself and really hasn't learned all that much yet about herself. She has been determined to get Luke and his friendship back into her life and though she admitted earlier that she still has feeling for Luke, I really believe that she refuses to admit to herself that she has undying feelings of love for him. I think she wanted to take thing slowly and see what happened if they became friends again. Then, BAM! she's singing a song to Rory and Luke walks in and it becomes all about him because she realizes in her slightly tipsy state that she does still love him, but she does not want to face that.

Why? Because she doesn't think he feels the same way? Because she doesn't know if it could ever work even if he does? I don't know. That's been the frustrating part of Lorelai this season. Even though I can pretty much read WHAT she is feeling, I don't have a clue what feelings she is hiding from or admitting to herself that she feels.

Rory and Logan still bore me. I just don't care one way or the other what happens to them. My favorite episodes are when Logan isn't on or is only on a very little.

It freaks me out a little that I've become a Zack fan. That only happened in the second half of this year! It has been great to have a return of the townies.


 Grin All the references to Whitney Houston relative to the song amuse me. To me, that song is ALWAYS and FOREVER linked solely to Dolly Parton. I have to be reminded that Whitney Houston did a re-make - an over the top and less sincere remake, IMO.
6  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.20 - Lorelai? Lorelai? on: May 02, 2007, 10:18:51 am
I Will Always Love You is not a standard love song, perhaps, but it is a love song. It is bittersweet and that is where Luke & Lorelai find themselves right now. This is what should have progressed from their 'parting' instead of the marriage to NNS. JMO of course.

The heart of the message in the song to me has always been about truly loving someone - about wishing them the best that life has to offer and knowing that you will always love them, no matter what else happens.

Like most of the best moments of GG, it works on several levels and can have multiple meanings all at the same time.


I think that Luke wore the blue hat intentionally (a private admission that his friendship with Lorelai is back on track). The black one was WEDGED behind the dishwasher. Continuing to wear 'old blue' even after Zack returned the black one was an understated public acknowledgment that he prefers his life with Lorelai rather than without her.
7  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.20 - Lorelai? Lorelai? on: May 02, 2007, 09:33:26 am
Except that Lorelai has been married. Goodness knows I tend to forget that because I want to, but technically she was married before Rory.
8  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.19 - It's Just Like Riding a Bike on: April 30, 2007, 02:45:00 pm
Finally, an episode this seaon that I just loved.

Rory not getting the internship made her a little more relatable and actually made me feel something besides irritation with her. Everything with Paris, Doyle & Rory was great. I enjoyed the roller coaster ride that Paris went on and dragged everyone else onto, also. And for me, no Logan was a bonus. I don't hate him, but he takes away some of my enjoyment in each episode he is in. Could have done without Lucy & Olivia too!

I appreciated that Sookie & Jackson actually tackled an issue upfront and openly. Yay! Michel was his usual snarky self. Another Yay!

Loved every moment of Luke & Lorelai. I loved the awkwardness and then the return to the pattern of their friendship. I took it as a great sign that Luke finally became Ranting!Luke with Lorelai. I thought it was great that he ranted about the tiles and about cars not having human traits (being afraid of getting dirty, or having an inferiority complex, etc.). His practical nature and her whimsical one. Glad it's back. And the dropping of the polite interaction was gone. It's about time. I thought it was cute that Luke was pointing out the improvements in the newer model Jeep and Lorelai insisted they were 'changes' not necessarily improvements. Yes, the writing was a bit obvious in the setting up of the new car/old car theme with regard to the Luke/Lorelai relationship, but I didn't mind. Just to watch these two banter was such a relief.

So, Lorelai's Jeep achieved 'total internal destruction' huh? Reminds me of Lorelai for most of the season. Maybe that's what happened to the dollhouse, too. Total destruction. Perhaps just a lesson for Lorelai that even when thing seem to be totally destroyed, there are ways to fix things. The car, the dollhouse, the realtionship with Luke? ....
9  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.17 - Gilmore Girls Only on: March 07, 2007, 12:15:25 pm
The episode was ok. But it felt as though it had the potential to be much better than what I saw on screen.

Skip the opening or at least cut it in half, get the girls in the car sooner and show me more of that.

Oh, and once we get to the 'Gilmore Girls Only' with the start of the road trip, stick with that. Don't put Logan in there.

I don't care that Mia was recast, but come on! Find someone who looks similar in age and bearing. And write her the same way. Everything about that was just wrong, IMO. I was fine with bringing back the character as it offered a framework/comparison point/catalyst for the Gilmore Girls relationships with each other, but the execution was poorly done.

Bugs the heck out of me that Zach has become one of my favorite characters lately. But he has. I have particularly enjoyed his scenes with Luke in the diner.

Some really good GG moments, but they didn't fit together to make a really good episode to me. It was merely average.

Quality television? Well, I would say that GG is still a step above most shows, but that is not saying much because I think most television is deep fried poop on a stick. But GG is not as good as it used to be. I don't need it to be the same. I don't want it to be the same. I want it to be as good as it can be and I don't think it is.
10  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.16 - Will You Be My Lorelai Gilmore? on: March 06, 2007, 01:15:55 pm
At least we have the option of seeing what happens next. Lorelai is pretty reliable about explaining her out-of-place reactions to Rory or Sookie after the fact. Luke is supposed to be all Stonehenge-y about his feelings, but his explanations after the fact make sense, and are at the same time so stupid you can understand why he kept his mouth shut.

It's kind of funny how in season six he was able to open up to so many of the people in his life and still keep Lorelai at arm's length. He settled with Jess, and was able to tell him how he felt about him and where they stood. He knew Rory's feelings well enough to stand up for them when she and Lorelai "broke up." And he may not be a perfect father yet, but he's been unstoppable in making up for lost time with April.

He was pretty goofy showing people how much he liked them, but they seemed to like it. Why would he think he had to hold it back in his relationship with Lorelai? It seems she was the only person with whom he still let nearly every opportunity to tell her how he felt about her and what he wanted for them slide.

That is what leads me to believe that this was pure ASP with her determination to keep the Luke/Lorelai relationship from being "mushy" in season 5 to the extent that it went so far the other way as to be ridiculous and OOC. And then her determination to destroy nearly everything she had created with season 6.
11  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.16 - Will You Be My Lorelai Gilmore? on: March 06, 2007, 11:48:19 am
Not quite sure what you mean by 'they need to get on with it'.  Get on with what exactly?  And I do think we know a lot about what she thinks.  She broke up with Luke because she didn't think he really wanted to get married, rushed into marriage with Christopher on the rebound, discovered she couldn't make herself be in love with him just by sheer desire and willpower, and right now is struggling to get back in balance after the failure of the marriage.  That's a lot of stuff, and she did tell Miss Patty she was moving on.  But give her a bit of time, please.

But I feel as though I didn't understand her thought process through ANY of it, as though she is keeping it hidden. I didn't understand the horrific jump from issuing an ultimatim to Luke to sleeping with Chris in the same evening. Then from the intense regret of sleeping with Christopher to dating him and the rushed marriage. Then the rushed marriage falls apart nearly as quickly and she admits that there are still feelings there for Luke, which came as a surprise to me because she didn't show any signs of thinking of him that way. Maybe I shouldn't say that we don't have any idea what she thinks and feels, but that we don't have any idea if these thoughts and feelings are relevant or if they are based on something genuine or if they more of a reaction to outside influences. And how long are they true? A day? two? perhaps a week? a month?

I feel as though I have given her a bit of time. The season is nearly 75% done and I feel as though I understand Lorelai less than I did two minutes into the pilot episode.

Merely my opinion. Obviously most do not agree with me. Oh well.
12  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.16 - Will You Be My Lorelai Gilmore? on: March 05, 2007, 02:21:47 pm
We don't really know what she was thinking and that is the part that drives me nuts.  Yes the look on her face could have meant may things.  I just think she is trying to take everything in and it is hard to interpret things when she obviously has a lot of her mind! Too bad we cannot hear inside her head.  Smiley
Well, obviously anything we say about what she thinks is merely an opinion. But I didn't think she looked sad.

I've heard many people saying that perhaps the audience is meant to be confused because she is too. Which may be the point TPTB are going for, but I don't like it. I do not like that 16 episodes into the season we are still left with so little real knowledge about her feelings. It is part of what is feeding into my feelings of not really liking Lorelai right now. I am impatient with her.

I think maybe we 'heard' what's inside her head with the 'monkey, monkey underpants' thing and as Lorelai herself said, "It's a big bag of weird of up there."  Smiley I don't want to hear anymore until she knows. Frankly, I don't want to see her until she knows 'cause I'm tired of debating what she might or might not think. I would rather agree or disagree with what I know she thinks. They need to get on with it.

Which is part of my problem with this particular episode. It was sweet and funny and cute, but what did it advance? Not much IMO.
13  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.16 - Will You Be My Lorelai Gilmore? on: March 05, 2007, 01:38:29 pm
i dont think she was sad about luke saying "things change" i think it was a realisation that things do change and she was missing it.

I didn't think she was sad either, but I didn't know how to explain it. You did it, so simply and so well!
14  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.16 - Will You Be My Lorelai Gilmore? on: March 05, 2007, 01:05:42 pm
But it also kind of makes me wonder if Lorelai had anything to do with him not going to the shower or if not going to parties was just another old habit he's breaking.

I thought that Luke's presence (or absence) at the shower hinged on a couple of things. Mostly because it was originally scheduled to be at Lorelai's house which may have had more to do with Luke's reluctance to attend than anything. Also, I know very few men that would want to attend a baby shower! But, it got moved and Zack genuinely seemed to want him to go, so that may have factored in.

15  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.16 - Will You Be My Lorelai Gilmore? on: March 05, 2007, 12:38:18 pm
I did not, at all actually.  There were a couple comments however many pages back that he did and that's what got me going on the subject  Smiley
When the discussion started turning almost exclusively R/L I started ignoring and skipping and must have missed it that anyone thinks he did it for someone else. I think I remember saying somewhere in here that I thought he did it for himself (but goodness knows it is hard to remember where I post what!  Wink )

I was also sort of seeing an implication that he was keeping the boat - along with a lot of his stolid habits - to be a picture of reliability to Lorelai. Things changing might upset her, even if it was something Luke was doing for himself.

Really? I missed that, too and I swear I really do read almost every single post. Except, as I said the R/L stuff.

Hmmmm .... so some think that Luke shouldn't change anything or it will upset Lorelai and others are under the impression that he will upset her if he doesn't change almost everything (my interpretation and slight exaggeration Smiley) about himself?

 Cheesy Well, I'm feeling for TPTB now. What to do?

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