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1  Episode Discussion / Season 5 / Re: 5.08 - The Party's Over on: March 27, 2008, 12:14:21 pm
On the Dean break-up: I think they really changed his character from the first season. He morphed into this guy who works at Doose's and works as a carpenter in construction with no brain. The "I like everything you write" comment, and not being able to give her any details on what he liked was pretty weak. In season 1, he was reading Anna Karenina (sp?) for her and was pretty good at keeping up with the music/literary references. Now, he's just a guy with a hammer and an apron.
Now, having said that, I agree that Rory needed to move beyond Star's Hollow, date a Yale man, and expand her horizons a bit. She was pretty sheltered. And if that's what Logan provides to her that's fine. She really needs to have someone who is her intellectual and professional equal.
I just thought that Amy's a strong writer and they could have made this a bit more complicated than the hick from the small town vs. the rich newspaper magnate's son.
2  Gilmore Girls / Appreciation Threads / Re: Lorelai Gilmore / Lauren Graham Appreciation on: January 11, 2008, 01:04:15 pm
Didn't she say in an interview that she had to gain the "Weight" in question for Evan Almighty? If you think about the timing of the weight gain and then loss, it was around that movie.
3  Episode Discussion / Season 5 / Re: 5.03 - Written in the Stars on: December 19, 2007, 12:46:56 pm
Hate early, must kill early.



One of my fave episodes.  Grin


Luke was a bit overzealous with his "im all in" comment... but for him it was 8 years of bottled up feelings and emotions and he was trying to express that in a way... and along with the horiscope, it basically showed Lorelai that everything that happened over the past 8 years, everything he did for her wasnt just out of friendship. It probably why Lorelai decided to jump into bed with him on the first date.

But later on in the episode after richard and emily's wedding we see lorelai return the "all in" comment to luke, even though they broke up for a while it showed how their relationship had really changed, because now it was Lorelai who was really wanting it.

I have to disagree about Luke. I think when you are older, now Luke is supposed to be in his late 30's/early 40's maybe, and you've had a string of failed relationships and one failed marriage that you know in your gut (to quote Luke) when something/someone is right.

I was 30 when I got married. Now this isn't super-late by today's standards, but several years older than the average American woman. My husband and I had a very similar conversation on our FIRST date, that we were both "all in."

I don't fault Lorelai for jumping into bed with him on the first date. They have been friends for EIGHT years. They know each other very well and have been there for each other. This is completely different from being intimate with a complete stranger.

And, yes, I think it's obvious from Episode 1 Season 1 that Luke likes her, but I don't think his being  there for Lorelai is purely just alterior motive to date her. I think he genuinely cares about Lorelai and Rory from a friendship basis. He bring ice to Rory's birthday in season 1. He goes to her graduation from Chilton. He drives Lor to the hospital when her dad has his first heart episode in season 1. I think you see how Luke is there for others (like Kurt in Raincoats and Recipes) that it's just his nature. I think his friendship feelings for Lor are deeper because he does want something with her, but it's not his motivation in friendship.

Carrie

Carrie
4  Episode Discussion / Season 5 / Re: 5.04 - Tippecanoe and Taylor, Too on: December 19, 2007, 10:19:10 am
ok can someone answer my question

what happens with jackson and the townselectman/
They never say precisely. There is one episode, maybe later this season (5), when Jackson is basically hiding from the town, trying to avoid his selectman duties. After that it's not mentioned, as far as I can tell. I think Taylor just assumes the duties back because Jackson couldn't handle it.
5  Episode Discussion / Season 5 / Re: 5.01 - Say Goodbye to Daisy Miller on: December 18, 2007, 12:19:26 pm
On Dean: I can't stand that scene with Lindsey, in part because I think Jared's acting is horrible in it. He's much better in the trying to be the seducer scene with Rory in the season 4 finale, which proceeds this. I think his "mad Dean" is just bad. Lindsey trying to make the "perfect roast" just breaks my heart. But I think they were way too young and rushed into marriage. But that's just me.
Carrie

It makes me think back to the first season and the "Donna Reed" episode. Lindsay was more or less a Donna Reed type. Dean liked the concept in season 1 but in reality he was not satisfied at all. He found himself working day and night so they could afford the things Lindsay wanted, such as a townhouse, and she contributed nothing financially. She wasn't even going to college, was she? Did he know she would not work or go to school once they got married? Lindsay didn't seem to do much of anything. I don't mean to imply that Dean was justified in what he did because he was absolutely NOT justified; it was disgusting. But it's hard to say what he was expecting when he married Lindsay. I look at these issues in addition to the basic fact that they were too young and unsure of themselves to get married in the first place.

Amazing because I was going to write that that whole Dean/Lindsay scene reminded me of the Donna Reed episode. Even that white dress she's wearing when she serves the roast is a little over the top.
6  Episode Discussion / Season 5 / Re: 5.01 - Say Goodbye to Daisy Miller on: December 17, 2007, 07:47:28 am
I watched this episode again yesterday, probably for the 20th time, but first time I'm posting on it.

On Rory: Her behavior is way out of character in this. Lorelai totally calls it during the lunch with Emily when she says, weren't you supposed to go through this phase like five years ago? It seems like somehow the writers (in the discussion with Lane) are trying to link Jess' visit with Rory ending up in Dean's arms. Like she finally realized she made a mistake with Jess and should have stayed with Dean? I think in this period Rory is torn between college life at Yale and her Stars Hollow life. She clutches onto Dean to stay close to her roots, but can never really stay in SH because she's growing up and then ends up with Logan. I think this was a way of showing that she is flawed and makes bad decisions, like later when she steals the boat with Logan. Conflict is what drives good stories. But the adultery and the grand-theft boating are such huge over-the-top things for a goodie-goodie like Rory to partake in. Doesn't seem believeable.

On Dean: I can't stand that scene with Lindsey, in part because I think Jared's acting is horrible in it. He's much better in the trying to be the seducer scene with Rory in the season 4 finale, which proceeds this. I think his "mad Dean" is just bad. Lindsey trying to make the "perfect roast" just breaks my heart. But I think they were way too young and rushed into marriage. But that's just me.

I loved the Richard and Emily scene: Her rant on how she wasn't the woman he married, etc., is a perfect summation to how she felt about their problems, which was never really outlined before, but was very clearly during that scene.

I loved the ending with L/L on the phone. I loved the beginning of the relationship giddyness and awkwardness, especially Luke's flurry of messages on the answering machine.

Carrie
7  Episode Discussion / Season 3 / Re: 3.17 - A Tale of Poes and Fire on: December 13, 2007, 07:08:34 am

But I don't know if I like Rory's choice.  This is not to derail Yale (haha, it rhymes) but it brings up questions.  Rory has been dreaming of Harvard for years.  Do we not think she would've made out pro/con lists before?  She knew the distance of Harvard, she knew about all that stuff, judging by the fact that she read the booklets and such.  And so suddenly it comes into play, and Yale wins.  It's not like she didn't get into Harvard, she got in.  But she chose Yale, which never makes sense to me.  She had dreamed about going to Harvard for 18 years.  But then in the course of one day, it all changes.  Suddenly Harvard isn't as good, but I don't understand why.  Rory had probably figured that by her grades and such she would get into Harvard, and then most likely Yale and Princeton.  I just don't like the decision to change her dream college.  Rory had to have known all these things before. 



I rewatched this last night and I thought the same thing. Wouldn't she already have done these pro/con lists when applying or even before? Even Yale's list was "twice as long" as Harvard's and Princeton's, wouldn't it have been obvious to both of them what her decision would end up being?
Or, was she swayed by Richard's and Emily's influence, now that they are closer than they were growing up. Not just the fact that Richard went to Yale, but being close to her extended family as well, and not just Lorelai?
Or maybe she really was only going to apply to Harvard all along and only applied to Yale b/c of Richard's influence and b/c Chilton made her apply to more than one, as was stated in a previous episode.

Or maybe AS-P didn't realize the series would go for more than a couple years and realized that having Rory at Yale, closer, would be better for the storyline? Then, why not make it Yale from the beginning?

Anyway, the bottom line is, I feel like this is a flaw in the writing. If Yale's pro's were "twice as long" as Harvard's, they would have realized this before this moment. It doesn't ring true to me.
Carrie
8  Gilmore Girls / Fun and Games / Re: Guess the Screencap/Image on: December 12, 2007, 12:56:03 pm
Here Comes The Son.
9  GilmoreGirls.org / Community Center / Re: A little help please? on: December 10, 2007, 11:28:28 am
Do you know how to clean out your history file on your computer? Or your temporary internet files? It's probably not a site problem, as much as it is a problem on your end. Your system is reverting back to an older version of the site. So you probably need to do some house cleaning on your end. Without looking at your computer, I'm not sure I could tell you how to do this in a post here, but I've had this problem before and it's cleared up once I cleaned out some files.
Carrie
10  Gilmore Girls / General Discussion / Re: Q & A Thread: 'Cause It Ain't All GilmoreClear ... on: December 10, 2007, 09:41:18 am
Hi kids:
Here's a question for those close-watchers of the show. I was watching (I think) an early season 6 episode, the one where Mrs. Kim ends up helping Hep Alien to go on tour.
In the scene where Lane goes to Mrs. Kim to tell her the band is over, they are sitting in one of the front rooms of the shop, where Mrs. Kim had been cleaning out figurines from a doll house. (She even makes a joke, holding one of them up for Lane to see.)
I swear, this looks like the same exact Victorian Doll House that was in the Gilmore House and is later in Lorelai's house. The house is turned around, so you see the inside of it, the inside of the rooms, but you can see that tower on top that looks just like the one from Lorelai's doll house.
Any thoughts?
Carrie
11  Gilmore Girls / General Discussion / Re: Q & A Thread: 'Cause It Ain't All GilmoreClear ... on: December 10, 2007, 09:34:36 am
is logan iin the very last episode?

No, Logan isn't in the last episode. He's in the second to last episode.
Carrie
12  Episode Discussion / Season 2 / Re: 2.17 - Dead Uncles and Vegetables on: December 07, 2007, 08:20:55 am

i don't really get what the vegetables refers to? 

I believe this is the one with the long-haired troubador opens up a vegetable stand in the square, across from Doose's, which drives Taylor nuts. I think the vegetables refer to the produce stand.
Carrie
13  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.10 - Merry Fisticuffs on: December 06, 2007, 08:31:37 am
I think Luke just seemed to have a lot of pent-up testosterone-fueled anger against Christopher, stemming from way back from season 1 when Lorelai blew off their painting date to have relations with Christopher on her parents' balony, plus the season 5 debacle when Emily tried to break them up at her wedding vow renewal. I think Luke felt like Christopher deserved a smackdown from way back. Plus, Luke was always father-figure with Christopher's constant absense.

I think bingbong is right-on about Emily's speech. It was thoughtful and calm, which isn't like her. However, wasn't Lorelai at the Inn late doing inventory? What the heck time is it when she gets back home and Emily is there? Seemed like after midnight or something.

Carrie
14  Gilmore Girls / General Discussion / Re: Reading Thread - Cause it's still sexy! on: December 04, 2007, 02:26:50 pm
I just finished Eat, Pray, Love. I really liked it. I read it on my own and wished we'd read it for my book club because there is so much to talk about. You really go on a personal journey of discovery with the author, who is recovering psychologically from a bitter divorce. Her writing is detailed, insightful and honest and FUNNY, very self-deprecating.

I agree that Go Ask Alice was one of those books that made me never want to do hard drugs. Scary. 

If anyone likes short stories, we just read a very short (under 20 pages) short story by Toni Morrison, which is available online if you Google search the title "Recitatif." It's about who young women who become friends at an orphanage. One is white, one is black and Morrison never tells you which is which. The whole point is to provoke discussion and shed light on your own racial stereotypes. It's the only short story she's written.

Carrie
15  Episode Discussion / Season 7 / Re: 7.09 - Knit, People, Knit! on: December 03, 2007, 12:28:56 pm
It's doula. A doula is kinda like a midwife, someone who helps women deliver babies, usually without a doctor present. Although I think you can have a doula at a hospital birth, too. Basically her job is to see that your wishes for birthing are kept to: no drugs, no c-section, water birth, no epidural, etc. I think they also help coach the woman with breathing, etc.

Since they had Doula at home, they used a doula and named the baby Doula after the doula.

That has to be a record for the most times the word doula was used in a sentence.

Yeah, they are crazy cats, Liz and TJ.

Carrie
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