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Title: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: TheHumanCoffeePot on October 17, 2005, 01:22:21 pm
Summary: When the Harvard application arrives, Rory (Alexis Bledel) and Lorelai (Lauren Graham) arrange a dinner at an alumnus' house to get advice. Meanwhile, Lane (Keiko Agena) falls for a boy who answers her ad for rock band members and Taylor (Michael Winters) convinces Luke (Scott Patterson) to open an old-fashioned soda fountain next to the diner.
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: Lapis Lazuli on April 27, 2006, 09:11:47 pm
I liked that Springsteen guy. He was cool. And the 'rebel' daughter was cool too. And the two siblings in University seemed nice as well, if a bit overly cheerful ;)

And at the end it's our introduction to the beautiful and cute Dave Rygalski. And right away Lane says "I love you"... "I mean I love what you do" (or something to that effect). Cute.
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: Jessloverforever on June 10, 2006, 02:05:41 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA i thought this was a hilarious episode!!!!!!!!! Especially when Lorelai and Rory were talking and laughing about how the harvard graduates kids were really "touchy- feely" And the part when the springsteen man said-   "you two gonna fight over the breast, as you always do?" I couldn't stop laughing! HAHA good episode!!

                           FOREVER IN LOVE WITH MILO!
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: JusTcaLLmeRedhEad on June 17, 2006, 02:16:27 pm
I loved the part in this episode when Darron's wife said the sister//brother were gonna have to fight over the breast. Lorelai && Rory both just kinda looked at each other.

I also found it really funny when Lorelai had to talk to Darron and pretend to be Rory and used that really funny voice. ((Trixie McBimbo && her mom Bambie McBimbo :]))

I thought it was so great at the end when Darron called and left the message saying how Rory was as good as in to Harvard. That was really nice. Then..both Rory//Lorelai changed their plans for the day so that they could hang out with each other :]
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: totalggfan84 on July 09, 2006, 06:15:30 pm
I love this episode with lorelai imitating rory's voice on the phone. I love how after the two kids come in after tennis and then leave lorelai and rory go:

LORELAI: Ew!

RORY: What?

LORELAI: Did they just leave to take a shower together?

RORY: Oh, gross!

LORELAI: What? They bounced in together, they bounced out together.

RORY: New topic.

LORELAI: Can’t take gritty reality?

RORY: Or slanderous postulating.
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: gilmoregroupie on July 09, 2006, 10:25:43 pm
This epi is so funny! I love the parts when lorelai pretends 2 love art! Zoton Comittee ;D
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: GilmoreFan623 on August 24, 2006, 01:33:20 pm
This episode was a little weird with the whole Harvard family thing. I didnt really think it was funny just weird. But one thing I do love about this episode is that we get to meet Dave. I love how Lane falls in love with him the first time they meet!! Soooo sweet!!  ;D
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: Gilmore-Fan-13 on August 24, 2006, 02:25:56 pm
The town meeting is funny in this episode.
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: Stars-n-Moons on September 04, 2006, 03:06:43 pm
This was sooo funny.  However, we didn't see Mr. Springsteen really answer any of Rory's questions or give her any advice on Harvard or college in general, however his kids were hilarious.  The dinner games were a little funny too.
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: Imy on September 29, 2006, 01:11:10 pm
the lunch with the springsteen guy was hilarious!
i think lane is so cool and dave rocks!
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: StarsHollowFan on October 21, 2006, 12:26:28 am
The kids were pretty funny, I got a strange vibe from them even before Lorelai noticed. I love how this show can take a topic such as incest and make it considerably more funny then it has any right to be.

Man Paris is a bitch. I don't know how she thinks she can get anywhere with an attitude like that. In this day and age you need to be likeable to get places, not smart.

Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: violaplayer1234 on December 31, 2006, 03:32:03 pm
The kids were hilarious.  I was cracking up when they came in.  Their dinner activities were funny too.

The town meeting with Luke and the ice cream shop, that whole thing, was great. 
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: Loki on January 04, 2007, 09:30:03 am
I saw this episode today.  I liked when Lane took off her shirt to reveal the "God" shirt she had on underneath. "Rock band?" Lane replied, "No, my life."  The Harvard girl in the bunny suit who told Rory she'd get into Harvard because she had "that straight and shiny Harvard hair" was pretty cool too.
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: Loki on January 04, 2007, 09:33:18 am
And by the way, I love Paris. She's what Rory would be without Lorelei as a mom.  I love Emily too.  She's unable to express her "inner Lorelei" but it's there and it's dying to express itself....
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: Gross123987 on January 19, 2007, 04:03:47 pm
It is close between this one, Rory's Graduation and "The Big One", but I still think this is my favorite episode from Season 3.    First, I love when Rory chickens out and Lorelai pretends to be her by putting on that flinty, high voice.    Plus when Lorelai was messing around when filling out the Application is great.    "Oh my God, what you were doing when the application arrives is worth 50%".   
"Mother, breathtaking, Father, Ostrasized!"     And the whole Droopy Drawers cracks me up every time!!

I like when Rory and Lorelai are freaking out about getting in.  "We all give the same run of the mill perfunctory answers!"

Then the family stuff with the Springsteens is great.   There are so many great things about this episode, definitely top 3 of all GG episodes!!
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: Nat on January 22, 2007, 02:02:01 pm
Dave is awesome, the whole time he was with Lane he couldn't get the grin off his face. It was very cute!

I also love the scene when Rory calls and then can't speak to the guy from Harvard so Lor puts on that voice. Classic!
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: ~*SailorMoonFan*~ on June 13, 2007, 06:25:51 pm
i liked the episode, but i was really dissapointed that rory initially chose hillary clinton for her essay, since, like the princeton dude said, everyone writes about hillary. rory is more unique than that. if she wanted to grow up to be christiane amnapour and she idolized her, why didn't she write about her? hmmm...

other than that the kids: hilarous. I couldn't help comparing them to the very gilmores. those twins-not-twins were what emily wanted lorelai to be, and then rory meets the bunny girl and i'm like OMG that's lorelai! working low-paying jobs, her parents not talking about her, sneaking around. lol it made me crack up  :D
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: JillianLovesFood on June 14, 2007, 10:56:59 pm
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i liked the episode, but i was really dissapointed that rory initially chose hillary clinton for her essay, since, like the princeton dude said, everyone writes about hillary. rory is more unique than that. if she wanted to grow up to be christiane amnapour and she idolized her, why didn't she write about her? hmmm...
Actually it was never really stated she DID write about Hilary and sent it. I'm more inclined to think she changed her mind when she talked to that daughter and decided to write about her mother as the person with the most impact on her. It goes along with her graduation speech. We won't ever know what she really wrote but I would like to think she said that because she also wrote that as the essay as well.
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: ~*SailorMoonFan*~ on June 17, 2007, 03:28:42 pm
i hope she wrote about lorelai. that would've been really sweet.
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: violaplayer1234 on July 19, 2007, 08:34:40 pm
Luke: Remember, kid, if you lie, you'll go to hell.   :D

This episode...well, it scares me.  I mean, I've wanted to go to Harvard since I read about it when I was 9.  I didn't watch Gilmore Girls then, but when I first started watching, Rory's desire to go brought me into this show.  And Rory was freaking out.  But she had her mom supporting her.  My parents are not rich, nor do we have rich family.  But my parents have no idea I want to go...so it makes this whole thing more nervewracking...basically, the interview shooed Rory into Harvard.  I know it's TV, but still, I know Harvard is hard to go to, and this episode didn't help. 
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: LoveMe011 on November 15, 2007, 12:16:31 pm
so i thought the meeting at the alumnus's house was a great idea. as unique as his family was, i think it was very uplifting for rory to hear from a graduate of harvard university that she was as good as "in," especially considering her freak-out about not having extracurriculars or nature skills and all that good stuff. i would love to have had an opportunity like that before i started college. i am about to start my second semester of my freshman year, and i know it would have helped a LOT to have a graduate from my university to talk to before beginning my freshman year. mr. springsteen was very nice to agree to meet with rory, as well as invite her and lorelai into his home for lunch. odd family, but very entertaining. and that is, after all, what gilmore girls is all about. =]
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: Luke4Ever83 on November 17, 2007, 06:13:19 pm
This is epi is so funny! I forgot how funny it was. Loreali talking on the phone pretending to be Rory....so funny! Great writing in this one!!!
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: bingbong on November 17, 2007, 06:59:05 pm
I liked the scene where Rory meets Carol the outcast daughter and she is reminded (as if she needs reminding) how lucky she is that Lorelai does not shove things down her throat. When Carol says in her family "the Harvard brainwashing starts in the womb" and describes it as a "conveyer belt" it reminded me of the kind of manipulation that Lorelai received from Emily.

The scene where Lorelai and Rory meet the "conveyer belt" brother and sister is hilarious:

LORELAI: Ew!

RORY: What?

LORELAI: Did they just leave to take a shower together?

RORY: Oh, gross!

LORELAI: What? They bounced in together, they bounced out together.

RORY: New topic.

LORELAI: Can’t take gritty reality?

RORY: Or slanderous postulating.

LORELAI: And how is it they just came off the tennis court and they’re not even sweating?

RORY: I don’t know. Maybe when you’re that white, you don’t sweat.
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: LoveMe011 on November 18, 2007, 01:02:10 pm
lol..i hate to be the one to point this out, but who is rory to point fingers at other pasty people when she herself practically glows??

just a question.
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: Tucker on November 18, 2007, 05:20:57 pm
she doesnt shower with siblings  ;D
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: starshells on January 16, 2008, 04:29:25 pm
I LOVED this Episode. Altough, Since Rory deiceded that Dean deserved her undivided attention, it seems shes trying TO HARD to be with him in this episode.

I loved when Lorelei was pretending to know want Darren was talking about! "Zoton Comittee!" ;D

and I also liked when Dave and Lane first met shes all "I love you! for the way you are..."

and Finally, Gilomore Girls though and through, have a day out together! YAY!  :D
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: drain on July 10, 2008, 10:09:06 am
"im not going to justify myself to someone with a tail!"

didnt like the fact rory likes that evil wench that is hillary
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: Sooks on July 14, 2008, 08:56:43 pm
"Thank you for not putting me on the conveyor belt."
One of the things I really liked is that Rory hears something different than what she thought she had to do to get into the college of her choice. She's always had it in her head that Harvard was it. She was so concentrated with the grades that she forgot about the other things that might be important. She can learn things from Paris, though she really hates to admit that she learned anything from her. Paris can learn a thing or two from Rory too. I also like that Rory gets to see another side of life, how it would be growing up with parents who put a lot of pressure on you to go to a certain school, be a certain someone, etc. and to realize that she puts the pressure on herself. Lorelai would be happy if she went to a community college, heck, that's what she did.

I like that Rory and Dean have a conversation about the future of their relationship. They have to figure out what will happen, Rory isn't slowing down and waiting...but a very real question has been posed. I think Dean is quite understanding for the most part, just maybe faced with the reality that Rory is going away for school, and he's sad.

I loved the scene with the two kids and then Kirk, coming in to Luke's on Taylor's behalf, trying to make a point. The kids are hilarious! I really liked how Luke pics both the kid and Kirk up and take them outside to Taylor to confront him on the issue. Great!

I think that those who are upset by the thought that Rory was going to write her entrance essay about Hillary Clinton are forgetting what time this episode came out, it wasn't during this current election. Hillary has been an icon for women who want to get into politics or make a way for themselves in the world, doing whatever. It came as no surprise to me that Rory would think of her to write about, as well, to be inspired by. Not saying anything about my views on Hillary, that's not the point.

I love Dave and Lane in this, and many season 3 episodes. They are so cute together! Very good boyfriend to have at this age, for Lane. He's totally smitten with her too, and to do what he needs to do to get on Mrs. Kim's good side or at least attempt to, is saying a lot for what someone think of Lane with her crazy tight parental rules. I ultimately love Zach and Lane but Dave was a great boyfriend!!

I wonder what Darren and his family thought of Lorelai and Rory? I know that Darren recommends Rory as a great applicant for Harvard but I wonder what he thought of Lorelai? And did he ever figure out that Lorelai was pretending to be Rory when she initially called to set up the date for dinner? I love their portrayal of the the type of family that they seem to be, the prestigious over the top think they're so smart, value education and intelligence type. Yeah that type. Not that there's anything wrong with that type of family, I just think that it's done well. That game they play at the table would have to annoy the heck out of me, I'd for sure lose. I'd totally be the girl with the carrot rebelling against the rest of the family! :P Lorelai - always knows how to get herself out of sticky or uncomfortable situations, doesn't she?! She knows how to talk, but always makes people laugh!
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: bingbong on July 15, 2008, 07:32:06 am
The Springsteen family reminded me of a Stepford version of the Gilmores, with Carol, the outcast, as their family's "Lorelai." If Emily & Richard had a few kids, i reckon at least one of them would have gone on their conveyor belt. 

There is an angle where Rory might be viewed on Lorelai's conveyor belt. After all, Rory's had Harvard imprinted on her brain since she was a tot, which is a way of declaring independence from Richard. But i agree with Mel that there is not the sense of Lorelai forcing it on her. She is not kidding herself about Rory's huge potential in the world and she wants her to have the best opportunity to attain it.  It's typical of Lorelai to accept community college for herself (and nothing wrong with that), but she wants much more for Rory.

Lane is back! I missed her. I love her story line this season, with Dave and the band. Already we get premonitions of the romance between Lane & Dave, taking all of a minute for them to connect as kindred spirits. It's fun to see how much less guarded Lane is with a guy, compared to Rory.

My Lane-related complaint is that we don't see Rory confiding in her about anything, not about Christopher and not about the Jess-Dean thing. Rory is a close-to-the-vest kind of person, but it would be good to see her confiding to her non-maternal best friend. Maybe she is embarrassed about Jess-Dean and the Christopher thing is too painful to discuss, but i'd like to see something.

This episode goes into a kind of pre-Jess time-warp, back to the early issue of how Rory & Dean's different goals can drive a wedge between them. It's refreshing to see Dean being realistic about their pending separation if she goes to Harvard, with none of his insecure side. And typical of Rory to live in a fantasy world where Dean moves to Boston for the sake of being near her. It's been a while since Rory has been realistic about Dean and, even without Jess being mentioned here, she continues the trend. There is something sweet and romantic about Rory not wanting to face the cold facts. But i have to ignore Fast Forwardy Land and   Rewindy Land to see it that way.

It's plain silly the way Luke is under Lorelai's sway. All that anti-Taylor ranting about the soda shop (excuse me, shoppe) and all Lorelai (with Rory's back-up) has to do is say "We like ice cream" and he caves. 

I caught a factual error by Paris. She was chiding the teacher about the Beatles at Shea Stadium and referred to the concert in 1963. The concert was in 1965.

In the previous episode, we had a widely admired gold shirt. In this episode we get a... bunny costume? Too bad Lorelai didn't wear the costume. She has a way of flattering anything she wears.  :)
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: gg crazy on July 15, 2008, 09:18:23 am
The brother and sister were so weird! dressing to match! they r the weirest brother and sister!
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: lessa on July 15, 2008, 11:29:32 am
Ha1 Yay, Town Hall, maybe Lorelai's support was out of a perverse sympathy for the Application Anxiety Taylor was inevitably feeling about approaching Luke!

I love your Stepford interpretation, bing. If Lorelai hadn't gotten pregnant, would she have dropped out to "find herself" instead? I imagined a banner to that effect, a sort of "If not for Harvard Hair, this could have been Lorelai,"  unfinished for lack of bunny costume graphic. Hmm, maybe I'll just splice some ears onto her Bad Santa costume... Did you see the bit in Mean Girls when Lohan is describing Halloween costumes for slutty girls? Just a little lingerie and some animal ears... actually, it could go to the heart of the metaphor. I mean, maybe the bunny costume was a sort of g-rated symbol for what you get when you Google 'bunny costume.' Or even a play on the circa-70's pregnancy test, which involved a rabbit.

I see the conveyor belt as well - maybe Lorelai openly accepting her choices and being thrilled with everything she does just works better for manipulating Rory than Emily's tactics did on Lorelai? But conveyored or not, Rory and Lorelai have had plenty of "are you sure this is what you want" moments, and Lorelai has as good as promised that she'll understand if Rory drops out and gets pregnant instead. It's different. (Snort, at least it is in Rewindy land.)
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: Sooks on July 15, 2008, 11:30:02 am
Jim - You bring up a good point about the Lorelai conveyor belt - she has had Havard imprinted on Rory since forever, and I wonder how much of that was just wanting Rory to go to any school other than Yale, because of the history of those who went to Yale? It seems that Lorelai sometimes wants Rory to do something just to spite her parents and to show them that she's not Lorelai. I wonder how much pressure Rory feels from that motivation. But, that's another subject for a different episode.

And again, I agree with you regarding Lane and Rory's relationship. They have been built up as best friends and they do a lot together, though less as the series progresses, due to the different ways their lives go. But, you're right, it would be nice to see Rory and Lane confiding in each other a bit more. There needs to be someone else besides your mom who you feel you can confide in, and for Rory it seems not even her boyfriend at the time, Jess, Dean, Logan, does she feel comfortable with enough to really truly confide in. There needs to be someone else that you feel safe with. I had sometimes wondered if Rory wouldn't talk to Emily a bit more if she had the opportunity? Again, that's not a friend her own age but it would be someone else. I'll keep thinking about this one. Good point!
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: lessa on July 15, 2008, 11:48:15 am
I guess Rory isn't dumping on Lane right now because they're going the other direction. Lane's got her own application anxiety going as she starts taking nascent steps towards assembling her dream behind her mother's back. Lorelai observes the mom code absolutely, but she obviously identifies strongly with Lane's need to think outside Ms. Kim's rigid conveyor. And she's got priors for pinch-hitting when Rory's orbit takes her too far away from Lane.

What i liked was the comparison of Lane to Dean. I mean, Lane relies completely on her Lorelai's, they make her escapades possible. But when Rory's not around, Lane has her own stuff that means everything to her and her future. Dean, by contrast, has forgotten all about working on cars, and it never even occurred to him that Boston might have a use for a guy who could build one. Get a job at the right shop, and he wouldn't have had to bother with college until he'd saved a little and was ready to learn how to install electrical systems. He didn't need to let his life revolve around SAT scores to stay with her, anymore than Lane did.

I wonder if that's anything like it was for Christopher? I mean, he was so obsessed with being Lor's guy, he never paid attention to the little details of his own life, even though getting a life was what she ultimately needed him to do before she could take a chance on him.
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: bingbong on July 17, 2008, 07:42:31 am
About the question, "If Lorelai hadn't gotten pregnant, would she have dropped out to 'find herself' ", my guess is she would have gone through the motions of the conveyor belt by attending college for a year or two before dropping out. She was destined to go her own way. I also like to think she was destined to have Rory sooner rather than later and perhaps she would have gotten preggers while in college. This delayed arrival would have made Rory too young for Dean, Jess and Logan, but available to destroy the psyche's of other unsuspecting guys!

Maybe i don't fully grasp the Mom Code, but doesn't assisting Lane in her musical quest put Lorelai in open defiance of the Code? This episode is only the beginning, and she truly saves the day for Lane when she opens up the garage for the band. This makes her Lane's personal patron of the arts. I love Lane's quest as a drummer, but Lorelai can't have it both ways. I think she made her choice in defiance of the Mom Code. Lorelai would never assist Lane in doing something that she thought was harmful, but that's my point: who is she to decide what's good for Lane, knowing Mrs. Kim would disapprove? This is much different from advice when Lane touched a guy's hair. Mrs. Kim would bonk Lorelai's head with an antique chair if she knew about her role in Lane's musical pursuit.
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: lessa on July 17, 2008, 12:23:46 pm
The Mom code is complicated. You can't make someone else's daughter do stuff, and you can't force her to behave on behalf of her mother. Lorelai invokes the mom code when Lane wants to sneak off for a date, but not when she wants to sneak around and rehearse with her band in the middle of town where everybody but Ms. Kim knows she's doing it. It's not about what Ms. Kim thinks is best for Lane exactly, it's about keeping her safe when her mom's not there to do it. Excessive tattling is counterindicated unless Lane is doing something dangerous like seeing a boy alone or running away from home.

In FFY land, Lorelai admits that Emily would have lost her without the pregnancy, but also admits that it doesn't mean she's really lost her. Lorelai may not have been dumb enough to voluntarily skip the diploma, but then again, she may have. It took her a long time to complete her education without parental pressure, GED aside. And let's not forget how Christopher behaved when his confinement became too much for him.

Honest, it's enough to make me wonder if a set of working ovaries would have changed James Dean.
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: thevoid99 on July 22, 2008, 04:27:55 pm
That was hilarious.  Lorelai and Rory freaking out.  Emily's freaking out.  Paris is freaking out.

Taylor wants a soda shoppe.  Luke gets annoyed.

Wow, that's one weird family and the girl in the bunny suit.  Wow.

It's a weird-ass episode and the first episode where we get to meet Dave Rygalski.  He's dreamy. 

Dean questioning his future with Rory and... man he is so clueless about the possibilities of what he can do.  Plus, Rory is naive to think that the relationship will last. 
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: honkifuluvGG on July 23, 2008, 03:27:10 am
Okay so I know I'm a week late but I've kind of had a crisis going on.  Plus I haven't even had a chance to review this episode again but I always had a topic that I wanted to bring up for discussion on this episode and thought I would quickly do so now before it gets too far out of people's memories.

It occured to me a while back when watching this episode that ASP must really have issues with well to do families.  It would appear that any family that comes close to possessing some sort of wealth is the spawn of satan in her eyes.  She can do nothing but paint them in a negative light to some degree.  With E & R they are so into their money and status that they can't truly love their child, or see past their duty to their status to connect with her and with this episode she paints the opposite - which one would think would be what she is trying to point out as lacking in the elder Gilmores make-up.  Yet with the Springsteens she is so over the top perverse in their depiction that people can't help to be creeped out by it.  Are there seriously no well to do families that are just normal in her world?  Plus there is the whole stereo type that every single Chilton student other than Rory is a rich spoilt brat.  I'm sure I had more examples than this but for now that is all that's coming to mind and all that I have time for.

Does anybody else view it this way or is it just lil ole me?



Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: ~*SailorMoonFan*~ on July 23, 2008, 07:15:15 am
It occured to me a while back when watching this episode that ASP must really have issues with well to do families. It would appear that any family that comes close to possessing some sort of wealth is the spawn of satan in her eyes. She can do nothing but paint them in a negative light to some degree. With E & R they are so into their money and status that they can't truly love their child, or see past their duty to their status to connect with her and with this episode she paints the opposite - which one would think would be what she is trying to point out as lacking in the elder Gilmores make-up. Yet with the Springsteens she is so over the top perverse in their depiction that people can't help to be creeped out by it. Are there seriously no well to do families that are just normal in her world? Plus there is the whole stereo type that every single Chilton student other than Rory is a rich spoilt brat. I'm sure I had more examples than this but for now that is all that's coming to mind and all that I have time for.

Does anybody else view it this way or is it just lil ole me?

No, i've noticed this too.  :D
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: lessa on July 23, 2008, 10:53:39 am
Class warfare in ASP productions is a given, I'll grant you that. But I don't buy it about the Springsteens. They were normal, even if Lorelai is creeped out by them.

Think of it this way - the rich families were weird and overscheduled, but the small, poorer families on the show are all equally dysfunctional in terms of overcontrolled kids who fail to find dreams. Lorelai is a practically perfect parent, rich or poor, but Luke, Mrs. Kim, Liz, and Mrs. Gleason were all able to make a perfect mess of their kids without a fortune to work with.

I'm really sorry to hear about your crisis, bing, I hope real life is going okay.
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: bingbong on July 23, 2008, 02:58:20 pm
Lessa, i think you meant to direct your good wishes to Caryn/Honki and i echo your thoughtful sentiments to her. Hang in there, Caryn!

The depiction of the Springsteens can be interpreted openly, but i think Caryn's point was the intent of the writers to depict the Springsteens in an unsavory manner. Compare the way the "conveyor belt" kids are presented against the rebel Carol; Carol's point of view is intended to be the sympathetic one and the writers give their point of view through the reactions of Lorelai and Rory.

There are examples of dysfunctional families on GG that cross the economic spectrum. But i agree with Caryn's premise that ASP and the writers put the negative emphasis on the economically upscale families, in particular the parents. The parents of Logan, Christopher & Jason all came across poorly, to put it mildly, and those three sons searched for salvation by distancing themselves from their parents. When Paris, Madeline & Louise mentioned their parents it usually involved something bad. When ASP went deeper into characters she gave more complex portrayals, such as with Paris and E & R, but they are the exceptions.

The examples of dysfunctional screw-ups on the middle/working class side were generally portrayed more sympathetically by the writers. The names lessa mentioned are good examples: When we finally met Liz, she was a screw-up but a likeable screw-up, certainly not as bad as Jess suggested prior to her appearance. The writers made her more likeable as the series progressed and her ending with T.J. and their new child was borderline blissful. I can't defend much of Mrs. Kim's hard-butt attitude during the early seasons, but in the late seasons she became a great supporter of Lane's musical cause. Not much good to say about Kirk's mom, as Kirk described her, but she was used primarily for comical purposes (admittedly, there is something ugly under the surface). Luke was of course consistently portrayed as noble in his efforts to help Jess, Liz and later with Anna; by the end of the series, there was little dysfunction in his family.
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: lessa on July 23, 2008, 03:46:31 pm
I'm so sorry about that, honki, it was late and I read a few things wrong. I do hope the crisis passes before I can get my bungled well-wishes to you.

If the Springsteens were supposed to be unsavory, the writers went wide of their mark. Competitive quizzing at dinner is a little darker than reading the paper and commenting on the contents together, but a lot of the things you have to do to get into Harvard seem weird.

The thing is, I always got that the wealthy had their own little circles, goals and weirdness just like the Stars Hollow town meetings and fundraisers. Lorelai is part of both city societies, and both societies are a little crackers. She's a little more vicious with her DAR jibes, but she doesn't exactly spare her neighbors.

(And admit it, the conveyor belt isn't all that much more high pressure than Mrs. Dean's mom's desire for grandkids...)
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: bingbong on July 24, 2008, 06:44:12 am
Well, L & R said afterwards that they like Darren and they certainly had no objections when he forwarded his recommendation to Harvard. I agree, nothing very unusual about dinner-table quizzing. I'm looking at the tone of antiseptic weirdness that the writers gave to the scenes, especially once the Springsteen kids arrived. The quizzing scene reminded me of a scene in the movie "Seabiscuit," where the father was quizzing the kids on literature. No Ivy League pressure, it was intended to show a genuinely loving family enjoying entertainment together, in contrast to the element of pressured conformity that the GG writers overlayed onto the Springsteens.

No question about Lindsay's mom. There was no shortage of parental conveyor belts on GG. Mrs. Kim had hers in full gear but Lane became the Kim version of Carol.
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: honkifuluvGG on August 19, 2008, 06:11:57 pm
I was just flicking channels and AA was showing and this exchange in particular just cracked me up today.  It fit with my mood I think.

Rory exits the diner and runs to catch her bus as Luke walks over to the table
Luke: Fast runner.
Dean: It’s the coffee.
Luke: Not your face?
Dean: Excuse me?
Luke: Sorry, just missed my youth for a second. I’m back. Coffee?





Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: LoveMe011 on August 30, 2008, 02:41:30 pm
I was just flicking channels and AA was showing and this exchange in particular just cracked me up today.  It fit with my mood I think.

Rory exits the diner and runs to catch her bus as Luke walks over to the table
Luke: Fast runner.
Dean: It’s the coffee.
Luke: Not your face?
Dean: Excuse me?
Luke: Sorry, just missed my youth for a second. I’m back. Coffee?







indeed a classic moment...it's not that often we see a moment like that from luke. sure, he's got a great sense of humor, but he usually doesn't resort to the childish insults such as this one...i had to laugh out loud when i heard it.

Happy 500th Post to Me!  :celebrate: :highfive:
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: flowergirl321 on January 20, 2009, 10:38:51 am
I watched this last night. Because I just got the third season, it's so funny, I liked the part when they went to that guy's house. And how Lorilie made fun of those two kids. I know I spelled her name wrong but oh well.
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: Gilmore Gyrlie on March 17, 2009, 06:51:28 pm
Harvard Guy was nice, but the family creeped me out with Dinnertime Jeopardy. :-[

anyone notice the contrast between Lane/Dave and Dean/Rory?


One relationship beginning, the other coming to an end.


Dave  looks like that nerdy dude from The OC.
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: thevoid99 on March 17, 2009, 08:22:23 pm
Dave looks like that nerdy dude from The OC.

That's because it's the same actor.  Adam Brody.
Title: Re: 3.03 - Application Anxiety
Post by: Gilmore Gyrlie on March 18, 2009, 10:39:47 am
Dave looks like that nerdy dude from The OC.

That's because it's the same actor.  Adam Brody.




Thanks.


I'm really enjoying this show, looking forward to continuing tonight.

Love the Coffeepot icons on this site, they're too cute.