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[wmushell]

Caryn - loving the new sig!   

Dani257 - really good insight on my Christopher/Lorelai speculations.  Yes, the last question is something we really don't know the answer to.  I'm hoping they explore this more next season. 

Season 6 finale?  Lies!  All lies! 

This cracked me up!    I see what you're saying.  As I watched it again, though, I was thinking that there are many different types of love.  So, the other men in her life were "loved", just differently.

As for Lorelai, I think part of Christopher will always love her as well.  Also, I think he's worn his heart on his sleeve for her much more than the other way around. 

I found this interesting.  I never thought of Christopher quite like that (I do like him, though).  To me, he always seems to randomly swoop in at inopportune times and make a half-@$$ effort to win Lorelai over -- and then if that doesn't work he immediately disappears.  For instance, in season 1 he asks her to marry him right away without taking the time to get to know her as an adult and connect with her emotionally.  Of course, the season 2 finale was a disaster for them -- and Lorelai wasn't who he chose (right or wrong).  In season 5, he did the " drunken swooping that ended up knocking Lorelai and Luke to the ground" thing in Wedding Bell Blues.  I think he does love her.  I don't think he's ever appropriately shown that to her.

Ggirlfan - I read your post!  Great question.  Actually, I have a theory on the topic of when Luke met Lorelai.  (Hey, Caryn, wasn't that discussion when we first chatted?)  Anyhow, I think that while Lorelai and Rory lived at the Indepence Inn, she was broke and didn't stray too far into Stars Hollow.  Probably Sookie cooked a lot of food for her  , she worked at the Inn, and hung out in the potting shed taking care of Rory.  It probably wasn't until she was made manager and could afford a house to move into that she got to know the rest of the town and began frequenting Luke's.  That's just my theory, but it seems to fit into ASP's timeline.

[Dani257]

As for Lorelai, I think part of Christopher will always love her as well.  Also, I think he's worn his heart on his sleeve for her much more than the other way around. 

I found this interesting.  I never thought of Christopher quite like that (I do like him, though).  To me, he always seems to randomly swoop in at inopportune times and make a half-@$$ effort to win Lorelai over -- and then if that doesn't work he immediately disappears.  For instance, in season 1 he asks her to marry him right away without taking the time to get to know her as an adult and connect with her emotionally.  Of course, the season 2 finale was a disaster for them -- and Lorelai wasn't who he chose (right or wrong).  In season 5, he did the " drunken swooping that ended up knocking Lorelai and Luke to the ground" thing in Wedding Bell Blues.  I think he does love her.  I don't think he's ever appropriately shown that to her.

True he does pop in and out.  I just meant he's usually the one to read more into things.  Like Christopher Returns, Lorelai saw the sex on the balcony as merely sex.  She wasn't looking at it as a sign that they should be together.  He saw it as rekindling some great romance and thought that they could start something.  He's not the most dependable, but he seems to have the stereotypical "girl" response.  You know, the romantic totally unrealistic fantasies that some people expect from females.  It's more in how he thinks than really his actions.  Lorelai just seemed to be more down to earth in how she viewed him and them together.

Ggirlfan - I read youir post!  Great question.  Actually, I have a theory on the topic of when Luke met Lorelai.  (Hey, Caryn, wasn't that discussion when we first chatted?)  Anyhow, I think that while Lorelai and Rory lived at the Indepence Inn, she was broke and didn't stray too far into Stars Hollow.  Probably Sookie cooked a lot of food for her  , she worked at the Inn, and hung out in the potting shed taking care of Rory.  It probably wasn't until she was made manager and could afford a house to move into that she got to know the rest of the town and began frequenting Luke's.  That's just my theory, but it seems to fit into ASP's timeline.

I seem to remember various references that suggested that they were pretty poor in the beginning.  The whole circus story Rory told Max.  I can picture them living  like you said.

[wmushell]

Like Christopher Returns, Lorelai saw the sex on the balcony as merely sex. She wasn't looking at it as a sign that they should be together. He saw it as rekindling some great romance and thought that they could start something. He's not the most dependable, but he seems to have the stereotypical "girl" response. You know, the romantic totally unrealistic fantasies that some people expect from females. It's more in how he thinks than really his actions. Lorelai just seemed to be more down to earth in how she viewed him and them together.

Yes, I see that.  He seems to have his head in the clouds, while she sees things for what they are.  Season 7's beginning should be fascinating!

[honkifuluvGG]

Great topic Michelle - but one that I don't have a definitive answer for.  I tend to agree with both yourself and dani.  For sure he seems to always want to pick up and play happy families, but I also find that he lives this more as a mindset, yet when it comes down to actually coming through with the goods....no go!  When he does make his big push, it always seems to be when it looks like Lorelai is going to settle with somebody else.  And this point alone leads me to believe that he is in no way ready to be a dad and family man (remembering I haven't seen S6) and that just like all blokes (huge generalisation, but you get my drift) he attempts to step up to the plate when he feels like his hand is forced ie., make a play for her now, or miss the chance because she has hooked up with somebody else.

And yep the whole when she met luke thing - we definately had that discussion when we first met - and I still haven't seen anything else to make me think otherwise.

When it comes to our wonderful discussions and you guys need to reference S6 or in the very near future S7, please dont stop on my account!!  just put a big bolded SPOILER in caps and I will skim past it.  It will not be much fun for you guys to give your opinions on stuff without including all that you would like, plus I think I am the only one that comes here that is behind so I'm cool with that.  After all I love the conversations we have here and I don't want them compromised because Aussie tv execs can't pull their fingers out of their asses!!  And you would be surprised at how used to this scenario I am.  I will often enter a thread and start to see something that I know is going to compromise my spreeness....I just skim straight past it and continue on

And thanks for the siggy compliment Michelle.  Melissa does a great job doesn't she!!

[wmushell]

Yay, Caryn's on!  How're ya?  Great idea for the spoilers (labelling them) -- I'll actually need to do that in a moment for this post.  Thanks for being so understanding.  I can imagine you bump into them a lot -- soon you'll be able to respond to them though (I'm still hoping your DVDs come early! ).  Oh, and yes that birthday girl Melissa is quite the banner maker!   I hope she comes to this thread again soon!

Okay, I have been remiss because that whole timeline thing I talked about in my last response wasn't the post that Ggirlfan was referring to.  Sorry, sorry!   You did ask the timeline question in a different post, so I hope you enjoyed my theory nonetheless.   Anyhow, in order to answer your question about the end of season 6 -- I have to do this:

SEASON 6 SPOILER!
Yes, Anna was absolutely and completely wrong (IMO)in her reaction to Lorelai spending time with April.  She DID keep April away from Luke without her knowledge.  He proved on the field trip that he was responsible and wanted to be involved in her life.  Since he was engaged to Lorelai, that is a part of his life and Anna should have some consideration for that.  While she's so busy trying to "protect" April, she's also denying her an opportunity to be fully involved with all aspects of Luke's life (which I think is wrong).  Saying that "engaged" isn't "married" was weak.  Her argument that people get engaged all the time could also be applied to marriage, because people get married all the time without it always working out.  As far as the other girls' parents -- Luke had them all call home to inquire about sleeping over.  If they were concerned about who was there, they were responsible for inquiring about it -- not Anna.  Personally, I think it would've been a little creepy if Lorelai hadn't stayed.  It would've been less appropriate for a grown man to have all those little girls sleeping over without an adult female present. 

[honkifuluvGG]

Yay, Caryn's on!  How're ya?  Great idea for the spoilers (labelling them) -- I'll actually need to do that in a moment for this post.  Thanks for being so understanding.  I can imagine you bump into them a lot -- soon you'll be able to respond to them though (I'm still hoping your DVDs come early! ).  Oh, and yes that birthday girl Melissa is quite the banner maker!   I hope she comes to this thread again soon!

Well yeah I will be able to respond to season 6, but by then you guys will all be chatting / discussing/ debating Season 7 and I once again will be out of the loop .  'Tis all good though at least it will open up a whole new season of topics for me to re-hash for you guys...and believe me, I will!!

As for the rest of your post it would appear that is not yet for me to comment on....in another month however hold onto your hats guys and gals

[wmushell]

....in another month however hold onto your hats guys and gals

  I look forward to it!  Holding onto my hat, I will be. (hmmm, that sentence kind of sounded like Yoda.  strange )  Caryn, how is your mother's pneumonia?  I think that is what I read in the Aussie thread.  I hope all is well, my friend!

[honkifuluvGG]

....in another month however hold onto your hats guys and gals

  I look forward to it!  Holding onto my hat, I will be. (hmmm, that sentence kind of sounded like Yoda.  strange )  Caryn, how is your mother's pneumonia?  I think that is what I read in the Aussie thread.  I hope all is well, my friend!

Oh Michelle, to know me right now...not a good thing I tell ya!!  My mother has pneumonia (doing OK btw), my mother in law has breast cancer (just finished chemo and radio and we are awaiting results), my nana went to hospital the other day because she broke her arm trying to move her dog off the couch (she has osteo and arthritus) and while they were repairing the break discovered a lump and it turns out she has bone cancer, my brother has legionaires and well I think that just about covers it but by God...am I feeling really freakin fed up with the run of bad luck with my loved ones at the moment....

OK rant over - but I reserve the right to pick this one up at any point.  Honestly if I didn't laugh about it, I cry

[wmushell]

I am so, so sorry to hear all of that!   It is so hard dealing with illness, it takes a lot of strength.  I can only hope that GG and the org brings some comfort.  And, of course, your brilliant boys as well!  Hang in there, my friend.  Rant all you want, you're entitled.

[honkifuluvGG]

Thanks hun but like I said, I'm kind of at the laughing stage now!  So far (touch wood [why I don't know]) everyone looks as though they will pull through, except maybe nana, but she is quite old and has had a good run.

Enough of the morbidity (new word?? ), resume usual fantastic feel that this thread is known for!

[Ggirlfan]

First of all, thank you Michelle for responding to both my posts. No need to apologize for responding to my timeline post.  I was happy to hear your comments.  I don't think anyone (that I have read yet) in that thread had responded to that post either!  I really enjoy reading the discussions in this thread. Also, I noticed that a lot of you have mentioned your names and I haven't told you mine.  My name is Kristin.  Caryn, is it?  I feel so sad for you dealing with your families' health problems.  My heart goes out to you, and I wish you strength.

Anyway.... Michelle, what you said about the Luke/Lorelai timeline makes sense.  Since they lived in the shed in the back, she probably didn't start going to Luke's until she bought the house.  It would be interesting to see a flash back of when her and Luke first met, wouldn't it?  

I actually touched on the relationship Lorelai has with Chris on another thread as well.  I think Lorelai and Christopher seem to have more of an impulsive relationship.  I think they love each other, but kind of a comfortable with each other kind of love.  They just seem to know each other so well since they grew up together.  They seem to like to rely on each other and run to each other when they are going through tough times in their lives.  However, I think Luke is really the one she is "in love" with.

  

 
Ok, warning...
**SPOILER ALERT FOR FANS WHO HAVEN'T SEEN SEASON 6 YET!** As far as Anna ,I was sooo mad when I saw the episode when Lorelai went to see Anna and the way she reacted.  She acted like she was perfect and made Lorelai feel like crap, when she was the one who deprived Luke of his daughter for all those years.  I think its ironic that Lorelai had a child that had an absent father, not by her choice really (considering Chris only seemed to have come around once in a while), and Anna made the choice to have an absent father.  Your right, Luke had the girls call all their parents to ask permission.  I would imagine the girls' parents would have been more comfortable hearing that Lorelai would be there, instead of only April's dad who she just met after all these years! **

[wmushell]

Hi, Kristin!  I'm glad you saw my responses to both of your posts.  I felt so silly after I wrote all that and then realized you were referring to a completely different post!   Anyhow, I agree with everything you just said . . . glad to see another java junkie hanging around!  I hope you come to this thread a lot!  I'll also look for you in the epi discussion thread when season 7 starts.  Have a good night!

[Dani257]

I actually touched on the relationship Lorelai has with Chris on another thread as well.  I think Lorelai and Christopher seem to have more of an impulsive relationship.  I think they love each other, but kind of a comfortable with each other kind of love.  They just seem to know each other so well since they grew up together.  They seem to like to rely on each other and run to each other when they are going through tough times in their lives.  However, I think Luke is really the one she is "in love" with.

I agree with this, and think it sums up the relationship she has with Christopher.  Which is why, although some people (mainly on TWoP) think that their relationship should end up being distant and formal, he's always going to play an important part in her life, even if they are both on the same page that nothing will happen.  But:

SEASON 6 SPOILER

I do think at one point, she was in love with Christopher.  I think that's why it hurt her so much when he went back to Sherry.  I also believe she was in love with Max.  She no longer is, and it wasn't strong enough to go through with the wedding (but I think other issues also played into that) but I don't believe Luke was the first man she was ever in love with.  He's the man she's in love with now and she's finally ready to go to the next step, but it doesn't lessen the importance of that if she had been in love before.
  

 

[LLFan]

 
I have been away from here for awhile and just found this thread.........being 48 I am glad there is a whole wack of us who watch the show. I hope I am not the oldest though!!  It is my fav and for one hour on Tuesday nights, my world is focused on one thing, no talking, no telephone,  no interuptions!! in my busy, hectic and stress filled life, I look forward to my Tuesdays. I can escape reality for a while.

Luke is the guy for me.........and I hope for Lor. (only difference is, I wouldnt let him spend one night away from me.....nope, no way..... ).  IN all his ranting and ravings, he is a sincere, caring, loving, down to earth,  dependable person! He would be there in a second no matter what.

I have to say though, that I am growing more fond of Christopher.  He loves Lorelai, and she loves him, but in a different way. I think Chris has the deeper love for her, but she will always have a spot in her heart for him. I could feel why she went to him and their comfort level.  I wasnt devasted to see her with him in the morning....it was a comfort thing........a place she felt cared for when she was hurting so bad. I could just feel her pain that whole time.  After all, Luke let her go and Chris and her have always been there for each other over the years. 

Max........nope, good guy but never felt it with him or her.  SHe never did either. She may have loved him but she was never IN love with him.

Anyways..........I am thrilled to see this thread.  I have a few older women who watch this show too, and its fun to get caught up in it. 

[Loridhhp]

I also think that Lorelai and Christopher love each other but not in that lets- get- married - and- live- happily-everafter way. They have a long history and a child (abeit a grown one) and have been friends since they were kids. It makes sense that she has turned to him in the past. I believe that Lorelai and Luke are meant to be together. Has has been her friend for a long time and understands all her neuroses. They inspire each other to take a look at their own lives through their many arguments. They can't stay mad at each other. I think that's why their relationship has always been so special. Even when they argue, they find ways to compromise and see themselves and each other in a different light. They challenge each other to grow. Lets hope that continues to happen because i really enjoy the relationship dynamics in Gilmore Girls. It's funny yet wonderfully complex. Just like life!