Decline of Gilmore Girls? Discussion

[bnwflix]

It seems like the show is treading water. Rory and Lorelie's relationship is the best thing about the show; that ain't happening. We were al interested in this Luke/Lorelie engagement; that ain't happening. Since Rory's not in Yale they just jam Paris in where they can (very funny tonight, but pretty pointless in the end). Does anybody want Rory to end up with Logan? I HOPE that ain't happening.Maybe they'll wake up, get Rory and Lorelie back together, and save what's left of this season! I hope THAT's happening!

[Jaredloverforever]

I agree and disagree.

I certainly don't want to see Rory with Logan, anymoreso than I wanted to see her with Jess-I never liked them together at all-but I think I dislike Rory and Logan together almost as must.

I don't however feel that this season is bad. I do think that Rory is being incredibly childish, but the Apple Doesn't Fall Far From the Tree-say what you will, but Lor is being just as childish about it as she is. She needs to set an example for Rory and be the bigger person on this one. I think certain aspects of the season have been really good, we are getting to see more of what Lor's life would have been like had she stayed with Richard and Emily and Rory is finally getting to see why Lorelai ran away so many years ago, although not really, because they are treating Rory like royalty, but anyway, she still kind of gets the idea.

I love Paul Anka, he's so cute and all of his little quirks are so funny.

As for the L/L I think what they are really waiting for is for the rift between Rory and Lorelai to patch itself up. Once they get the L/L relationship moving, it will be difficult to slow it down and I don't think ASP wants them to get married anytime soon, nor does she want that to happen while R/L are still fighting and I think she thinks that if they get close and start heading down that path, it will either force them to continue before everything between L/R is patched up, or it will seem like a forced distance for L/L since they should be a a further point in their relationship. Does any of that make sense? It makes sense in my head, but that may be the only place it does.

I do like though that we are getting to see a lot of Lorelai and Sookie and Jackson and Davey and Martha this season, but what about Lane? I would think that Rory would have talked to Lane right away after she decided to drop out of Yale.

As for Rory, her behavior this season disgusts me. If she honestly lets what Mitchum said make her drop out of Yale, then he's abosolutely correct in saying she doesn't have it. And seriously, what happened to the old, determined Rory? I absolutely cannot stand the way she's acting.

I loved Paris, and her being so anti-rich now, it was quite amusing.

As of right now in the season I would give it a B. It's not great, but I wouldn't so much as say it's bad.

[VICTORIA]

I agree, this is not the best season so far.
I have watched all of Seasons 1 - 4 and plan to watch 5 many times over when it comes out in December. No matter how many times I rewatch the past seasons on DVD it is better than what I'm seeing in Season 6.

I like the thought though, that we are getting to see what Lorelai would have lived like if she hadn't moved away at 17. It is interesting.

Also, what is up with Rory being so skinny? She used to be pretty but now she looks like she will break if she falls down or something.

I will watch it tonight - hope the rumours of Jess coming back are true. I guess Dean never will as long as his show is popular. It is pretty good!

[bnwflix]

Well, that's one good thing about "Dean's" new show... it keeps him off G2!
I agree that id Rory really "has it" she wouldn't let this one jerk get to her... I think she is written to "have it", so I think the situation is convoluted, as was Lorelie going to her parents to ask for them to help her "gang up" on Rory. I don't think any of this is consistant with the characters we've grown to know and love.
I'm for Jess... if he were to come back as, say,  a succesful published author, this would put him officially in Rory's "ballpark" so to speak, and it is entirely plausible and in character.

[Jaredloverforever]

I may be in the minority on this one, but I personally think Rory needs to ditch Logan ASAP. But not just Logan, all guys right now. At least until she finds herself. This whole bit with Logan is only making her situation worse. He's a kid with no responsibilities, all the money in the world, no goals so to speak and his parents always bail him out when he gets into trouble. That's not the kind of person Rory needs to be with right now. She needs to be with someone who will help her find herself and figure out what she, herself wants. I'm afraid as long as she's with Logan, she's going to continue to be the snotty, self-absorbed, self-pitying Rory that she is, especially since she'll have to deal with Mitchum and his wife-both of whom have no respect for Rory. I know this may sound harsh, but I honestly think that in order for Rory and Lorelai to get their relationship back to the way it was, the way we liked it, and for this season to be much better, Rory needs to be single, and needs to find herself first, because she even thinks about anything else. In my opinion, and it's just that, that is the only chance we have and this season getting back to the way we like it, because I'm afraid that as long as Rory is with him, she'll continue down this spiral until the rift between her and Lor is horrible. As long as there is that rift, the season won't be as good as it usually is. Just my opinion, don't hurt me, I know lots of people like Logan.

[TheHumanCoffeePot]

Oh no.  You are not the minority.  I think actually people that like Logan are a minority.

[GilmoreGirlsFan22]

I can NOT wait for ror & lor's makeup i can 't stand them mad at each othr because one of those mother daughter moments where rory calls her mom in tears and  lorelai comforts her would be a great way 2 make up dont you agree?

[Jaredloverforever]

I would honestly, really rather see Rory fix this by herself first. Like I said before, she needs to find herself, by herself. She needs to ditch Logan and stay single and find some independence from Lorelai. I think that's the only way they'll be able to make up, when she finds herself.

[TheHumanCoffeePot]

I don't get why some people are saying that everything Rory's going through is bacause of Logan and blahblah, because it's not his fault she stole the boat.  I think he's being a really supportive boyfriend and he hasn't done anything wrong, but I just don't like him.

[Jaredloverforever]

I'm not saying that it's because of Logan, I'm saying that he's just making the situation worse. I've said it before and I'll continue to say it, as long as Rory's in a relationship, she's not going to figure out who she is. She seems so lost, and as long as she's lost, she and Lorelai don't really have a shot at making up.  I know what I'm trying to say, but I don't know who to say it. I think Logan makes it's easy for Rory to hide from the facts. She can just jet off with Logan whenever she wants, but that's not he real Rory, it's a facade that she's putting up. 

By no means do I think that the problem is solely Logan, I think the problem is Rory, but Logan isn't helping. I think if Logan really wanted to help, he'd show her how she's acting towards her mother and everyone else. I really think she needs to come to that realizatiion before she and Lor can fix their rift, and honestly, I don't know how much more I can take of the rift because it's definately having negative effects on the season.

[chris]

First some background - I'm a mid-30-something guy who's wife loves this show. I wrote it off as chick-flick TV drama drivel until  I watched a couple of episodes. The writing is (was!) some of the best on TV and I've regularly defended it as such to my less-than-understanding male colleagues. Over the last 18 months, I've been watching (on DVD) in order seasons 1-4  and they all rock. I'll even admit that I was pretty giddy w/ anticipation over the start of this season.

So after 5 or 6 episodes into season 6, here's my question: which writer(s) got fired / quite / had a brain aneurism? This season SUCKS and that's putting it mildly.  It's all wrong. The dialogue is crap; the story lines are off.

Watching last night's episode was painful. Even the actors looked pained. Case in point - look at Michel and Sookie trying to add comic relief to the 'Sores & Boils' rant at the Dragonfly. When has Michel ever been not funny? Until this season, the answer was never. Same goes for Sookie. Even the expression on Michel's face was out of place. He was walking around w/ this little forced smile - HE NEVER SMILES! His face is always contorted in one of two modes - contempt or disdain. (Not the same thing in Michel's case.)

Another example of painful dialogue - Luke and Lorelai arguing about a Frisbee on Lorelai's roof (episode 1 or 2) while Luke is repairing the hole / damage created by his dimwitted brother-in-law. The argument didn't make sense, wasn't heartfelt, and (again) wasn't funny or poignant. Granted, Luke (Scott Patterson) can be a little stiff and over-the-top at times w/ his delivery, but this was just dumb and it hurt watching it.

Given the consistency of how bad the story lines and dialogue has gotten, I'm convinced that one or more of the writers have left the show. If Amy Sherman-Palladino wants to keep me tuning in, she and the other producers better find a way to rehire them and fast. I don't know how much I can (or am willing) to take.

[sydney]

I agree, the episode will be over and yet the story has not move forward at all. It does seem as if the writers are different and not as good. Maybe a part of it is the character of Rory is not as likeable as before. And it does not make sense that someone as smart and determined as she always has been, is now such a whimp. We are three episodes in and so far they have been a big let down.

[TheHumanCoffeePot]

I'm not saying that it's because of Logan, I'm saying that he's just making the situation worse. I've said it before and I'll continue to say it, as long as Rory's in a relationship, she's not going to figure out who she is. She seems so lost, and as long as she's lost, she and Lorelai don't really have a shot at making up.  I know what I'm trying to say, but I don't know who to say it. I think Logan makes it's easy for Rory to hide from the facts. She can just jet off with Logan whenever she wants, but that's not he real Rory, it's a facade that she's putting up. 

By no means do I think that the problem is solely Logan, I think the problem is Rory, but Logan isn't helping. I think if Logan really wanted to help, he'd show her how she's acting towards her mother and everyone else. I really think she needs to come to that realizatiion before she and Lor can fix their rift, and honestly, I don't know how much more I can take of the rift because it's definately having negative effects on the season.

I completely agree with you.  When I said (and let me just say, this feels very snobby , quoting myself):

I don't get why some people are saying that everything Rory's going through is bacause of Logan and blahblah, because it's not his fault she stole the boat. I think he's being a really supportive boyfriend and he hasn't done anything wrong, but I just don't like him.

, I wasn't directing it towards anyone in particular.  That just seems to be what a lot of people think, and I don't agree with that.

[gilmorewannabe]

I think that part of the reason why we are all unhappy with this season is it just feels so wrong because of the huge rift between L/R.  Their anger and animosity is putting a dark cloud over the whole show but that's where the story has taken us and I think we just have to be patient and let it play out and it will all get better.  Lots of people have life crises during college and Rory is allowed to change her goals but I don't think she will ultimately change her personality.  She's a little lost but I believe that she will find her way back to herself. 
Some of the episodes are harder to watch now..it's no fun to watch people you care about be upset.

Hang in there Gilmore Nation...let's trust in TPTB to lead us through to a happy ending.

[alexhpfan]

So far I haven't liked any of the new episodes this season.  Rory seems like she is acting really weird and don't hurt me but I think that Alexis's acting isn't that great anymore.  Maybe it's just because of how Rory is acting.  I also hate Logan!  He is so annoying!  Once again please don't hurt me but I think that the whole Luke/Lorelai thing was better when they weren't together.  I really liked how everybody knew that it was evetually going to happen but probably not for a while.  I also miss the mother-daughter scenes A LOT!  I think that the best seasons were 1-3 because of the mother-daughter scenes but after Rory went to college she changed and she hasn't been as close to Lorelai as she used to be.  This is all MY opinion so I don't want a lot of people telling me that I'm wrong.  Everybody is entitled to their own opinion.