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« Reply #285 on: May 10, 2007, 07:23:44 PM »

I don't know if maybe I just missed the cake, but I didn't see one in either Lorelai or Sookie's hands when leaving the bakery. I thought Lorelai said that they were there to pick up the cake, but I didn't notice her leave with one. She even signed the receipt or something...

Sorry if this has already been talked about by the way...

Oh, and just fyi, I am highly disappointed that this upcoming week will be the series finale. I cried (and threw the remote at the television) when I heard the announcer say that. It definitely ranks as one of the most depressing moments in my life. haha
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« Reply #286 on: May 10, 2007, 07:31:10 PM »

I don't think they were picking up the cake. I think they were just checking on it or something and would pick it up later. At least I think so.
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« Reply #287 on: May 10, 2007, 07:57:12 PM »

maybe there will be some awesome kirk storyline where he had a panick attack in his box when he saw a squirrel run across the top of the box and had to come down before 20 days? haha, i hope so.

also, did anyone notice that when they were talking about needing tickets for graduation, babbette mentioned that lulu would need one.  she didn't mention kirk...did i miss something or are they still dating?  why would lulu (who has only hung out with rory like 3 times) want to go to graduation without kirk?  strange.
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« Reply #288 on: May 10, 2007, 07:57:56 PM »

Ok, I don't know if this has been posted already or not, but for those of us in Southern California who missed this episode because of the KTLA News interruption, the episode will be airing Saturday at 8 on the CW.
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« Reply #289 on: May 10, 2007, 09:08:52 PM »

First, comments on other people's comments:

Wow. Okay, Sookie neumonic (sp?) device? Hahaha.

Since you asked, it's spelled "mnemonic" :->

I can't believe Lorelai didn't have enough sense to figure out "Gee Luke is all of a sudden pissed off, I wonder if he heard me?" HELLO! She's not that dense!

Absolutely agree and I thought the look on her face showed that she *did* think he heard her and had picked the worst possible time to come in. I really thought she was going to mention it later during their conversation outside the diner, that she only said it because of Miss Patty and Babette. I was really surprised that she didn't try to talk to him about it.

Any young girl (or young guy) out there who is applauding Rory - is too young to actualy understand.  I also know young people who got married and are FINE. Life is SO very difficult. Please, if you find a man /a woman to love - don't say, "Oh, but Rory had her career first" - OK?... [snip]

Going off with Logan WAS the thrilling, adventurous, crazy, BOLD spontaneous thing to do! DUH - For Rory to accept and just - GO - that would have been outside her comfort zone - BUT NO, the stupid writers will keep her locked in "unrequited - i need my career - let's look over the next horizon, as long as there are books there" BULLSNOT!

Sorry to disappoint you,  but I'm 52, not a young whippersnapper, and I couldn't disagree with you more. In what universe is marrying a rich guy, moving to a house he's providing for you, and maybe finding a job in the place where he's moving for his job any kind of independent, thrilling, adventurous move? I couldn't think of anything more bourgeoisie if I tried! Saying "I love you and I have pictured being married to you but I want to have some life adventures on my own before I close down all my options" seems a lot more adventurous to me. And I agree with Lorelei: if it was really an "until death do we part" love, then she wouldn't have hesitated when Logan asked her, she would have said Yes and known it was the right thing to do.

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Sorry, little Rory lovers who feel Rory should remain this little girl frozen in time, but I HAVE LIVED ALL THOSE DECADES - i know. I know because i was there already....   I was the free spirit - who looked around one day and realized i had a career and money and lots of things - but no PERSON.  I followed every whim except to find a PERSON - until i was older - when all the good men are married or in their divorces and bitter - I WISH i would have found a man when i was young, but i matured slowly in that department, ok?  I was not even "active" until i was 23 years old. For Rory to develop that far and then - CUT IT OFF? No, that' wrong. Stupid.  Again i say BAD WRITING. Do not let a poorly written show cause you to return a lovely diamond some day when you are 22 and the man of your dreams is before you.

No offense to you or to anyone else who has shared their own stories of love, age of marriage (or not) and so on, but I don't believe there is any way to make a global rule out of one person's experience. The issue should be judged on the character and relationship of the people involved, not some rule that is determined by one person's experience, whether for good or bad. Every person is different and every relationship is different so to say "You should always marry the first guy you fall in love with" or "You should never marry that young" isn't really useful.

It WAS really tacky of Rory to talk to him about something so important in the middle of the campus.  They should have talked about it in a quiet, controlled atmosphere.

A couple of people have mentioned this but I thought Logan pretty much forced her to -- there were a few shots during the graduation segment before that where he kept waving at her, reminding her he was there. I don't see how they could have had a conversation *without* her dealing with the issue, and I don't see how she could have kept ignoring that he was there, either.

(BTW, did anyone else expect a scene right afterward with Emily? I'm sure the whole family was watching and saw her give Logan the ring back and him walk away -- I was sure there was going to be some sort of scene with them right then.)

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That was kinda trashy on Rory's part. Logan's going to be a businessman now. He needs a partner that can show some type of social decorum and I think Rory put the question about whether she has it or not to rest pretty soundly with that last move.

I would think that proposing in front of a bunch of people with no warning and not in a quiet, controlled atmosphere would also be considered trashy, then.

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As for my own reaction to the episode, I didn't buy the L/L scene at night outside the  diner, especially after last week's episode. (And did anyone else think, as I did, when Lorelei was twitting Luke about hesitating about marriage that, wait a minute, he *was* married before, no matter how stupidly or briefly?) They had made some progress last week in breaching their awkwardness, not to mention the karaoke, and to have it all vanish just because she said something to Babette and Miss Patty didn't work for me.

Regarding Logan's proposal and reaction, obviously based on what I said above, I agreed with Rory's decision. And I wasn't surprised at all that Logan reacted the way he did: as I said in my comments about last week's episode,Logan is self-centered and selfish and although he has grown a lot through his relationship with Rory and I eventually came to believe he loved her, when it comes down to it he's always going to choose what's best for him and react that way, too. So his cold reaction to Rory's rejection, essentially saying "You don't want me? I'm outta here" seemed perfectly in character to me. Would have been nicer if he'd genuinely wanted what was best for her and maybe later he would have thought of that but I believe that his reaction fit the character.

Mind you, I don't think that it's necessarily evil of him not to want to try to continue the relationship long distance. If it's not going towards something permanent in the foreseeable future, I think he has a right to be free to look for a new relationship in his new home rather than continuing this one in the hopes that Rory might someday want to settle down with him.

BTW, a small point: I had to giggle when Parris promised Doyle that once she had a prestigious residency she would start taking it easy -- anyone who knows anything about med students knows that residency is incredibly grueling and intense.

Finally, I agree with everyone that showing that much in the promo really sucked. If the ending of the finale is the same as the ending of the promo, they owe us all a big apology.
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« Reply #290 on: May 10, 2007, 10:43:41 PM »

And - I LOVE it when they do German words in English: Emiliy: "I am schwitzing".... this is soooo funny!!!!! We do this a lot, my son plus my friend and me, we call this lanquage "denglish" (deutsch (german) and english).

Ummmm, "shvitzing" is a Yiddish expression. It might be German, too, but I believe in this context it's supposed to be Yiddish. Emily prefaced her remark by saying something like "As my dear friend <Jewish-sounding name> would say..."
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« Reply #291 on: May 11, 2007, 03:13:45 AM »

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What did Lorelai say to Logan?  I know they didn't show the scene (yet another important scene for a MAIN MAIN MAIN character that they'd rather have off screen, although we've had the privilege of seeing a recurring character like Zach freak out about being a dad on screen) but did Lorelai allude to the specifics of the conversation?  I'm just wondering if she told Sookie that she didn't give him any advice or if that's just the assumption.

Nope.  She told Sookie what happened, but if Lorelai had said anything back to Logan she would have told Sookie.  Or so that's been their relationship in the past, to relate the event down to the nitty gritty.

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I also understand that neither of them really knows what they want from each other but it’s pretty clear that at the least they want a friendship and this type of resolution is also required to mend a friendship, so it works no matter where they’re headed.  Oh but wait, that wouldn’t be packed with drama to screw any growth anyone has shown and let’s just box.

What I'd really like to know is what idiot went to Hollywood and decided to make THAT the standard for all TV shows?  That people can't be a symbol for a stable life.  I'm still trying to figure out why they killed off Gerald McRaney on Jericho!  Would it have been SOOOO horrible to have ONE stable person in that town?

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although I really like the whispering in his ear about her setting the date and then a yes, kudos to whoever it was that suggested that)

That was me.  I'm always hoping they show that Rory has grown into a smart, confident, all out woman.  Roll Eyes

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And I can concede the tiniest bit and say that Rory tried to throw out the LD suggestion in a softer manner than I’d originally remembered.  But she didn't try nearly hard enough to keep the man she “loves so much”.

I just watched the episode over again.  By the time they got to that scene, Rory really didn't seem like she even cared about him, which really makes me respect the two actors for flipping emotions so easily over one issue.  They had such a wonderful vibe as a couple.  The two of them each tore that entire structure down and left us with nothing.  Kudos to Alexis and Matt.

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If the girl can’t handle more than one serious event at a time she’s going to have problems down the line because life doesn’t come at you one thing at a time.  It just doesn’t work like that, everything comes at you at once sometimes and you learn to balance it and deal with it, you don’t cut portions out because they become too much to handle, that’s part of the fun of life.

My point exactly.  Rory has always been the weakest link, even in the way she holds her posture.  She acts like one of those women who have to be taken care of (i.e. ALWAYS have a boyfriend or someone running to her aid when things don't go right) and doesn't have the strength to make strong decisions.  The sad thing is that all the people in her life enable her to do so.  Her grandmother never quite gave her the strength and backbone she had herself.  Although Emily took the "housewife" role, she always played an important part in what she did.  You are as powerful as you allow yourself to be.  Each one of us has an amazing strength inherent in us.  Some are afraid of that strength and choose the lesser path.  The bottom line is your life will only be as happy as you allow it to be.  You CAN have it all.  You just have to believe you deserve it.

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Hmm, talk about marriage before a proposal is fantasizing.

I'm really surprised to hear so many people say they would never discuss such a thing in the process of a relationship.  Maybe I watch too many TV programs or movies.  When I see someone doing something boneheaded or bad writing on the writers parts I'll comment on it after the program.  (I do the same thing when I'm watching a football game, but its usually after the fumbled ball *smirk.*)  During such a conversation (if you've chosen a guy because you like to hear his opinions on things) you talk about people's attitudes towards marriage.  It doesn't have to be a conversation about the two of you getting married, but a conversation on anyone's choices in regards to marriage.  People getting married and divorced are all around us - in every day life, on TV...how could it not drift into conversation?  How can you be in any type of relationship, whether new or old or just friends or lovers, without discussing the world that's happening around you?  Sure, there are some guys out there who are very quiet, but even those I've managed to spark conversation about other people's choices in life.  And I'm not even a Gemini.

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I Like Rory and Logan together, I really do. And I think the character is perfect the way she is, even if it means she's unwilling to give up her big dreams for her big love. It seems immature that her feelings aren't in the right place, but I think Lorelai had a point, too. Isn't one of the core tenets of the show that being with the "right" right guy means you don't have to let go of everything else to make it work?

I think the problem is thinking that doing such a thing is letting go of everything.  Why does being with someone you love get viewed as being stuck in a box.  If you only had a certain amount of money and you had to move to an area where you could afford the rent, does that automatically take away all of your options?  If you let it, yes, it does. If you realize you can be anything you want to be then no, it doesn't.  It's how you look at life that makes the difference.  Good love shouldn't be an either/or situation.  Yes, Logan made it that way in the end, but there were so many hard feelings leading up to that last scene I don't blame him.  Rory made it clear she didn't love him enough to say yes to the proposal when it was made.  Would you REALLY want to marry someone that wasn't excited about the prospect of marrying you?  Yes, Logan acted a bit immature at the end, but he realized who Rory was.  A person who didn't love him as much as he thought she did.

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Amen.  I loved who they were, I loved who I was hoping they would become.  I couldn't STOP watching it, even when the writing in Season 7 headed straight down the tubes.

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By the same token, Rory would have to change to be right for the new-and-improved Logan.

Again, why oh why do people think you have to become someone else to be in a marriage?  Isn't the person you are now the person your lover fell in love with?  Logan isn't expecting her to become the same spouse component Emily is.  In fact, he lists a couple of esteemed places Rory could work.  He's already factored in her following her dream of working for a newspaper into the equation. 

You should never "change" to be with someone else.  If the you and your partner can't find your "sync" in the relationship after being together as long as Rory and Logan then it's probably not a good relationship to begin with. 

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Sex and the City dealt with a lot of these same issues, but did it with more class than a lot of these so-called "family shows" if you ask me, ok, there were some fun words thrown in, but i mean, they stayed away from the hackneyd (sp?) cliches of "Oh he has a kid" except Miranda did get pregnant- but that is different than a skeleton) and they managed to deal with serious things, without me saying, "Oh COME ON!" even one time. And people got married, and people had soulmates in the end... So if Sex and the City can do it, how come GG managed to mangle itself?

Well, mainly because they actually had people who could write (unlike the people who took over Gilmore Girls) and those people weren't malicious (like Amy and Dan - "Oooo, can't have them falling in love yet...let's have Lorelai melt down because Luke won't marry her and go sleep with Christoper!). 

I *LOVED* Sex and The City.  It was smart, it let it's characters grow up and explore self-improvement both physically and emotionally and it let it's characters explore many different aspects of themselves (like I had hoped Gilmore Girls would do).  They tried things on and decided whether they were good or bad things.  And in the end, it let all of it's characters reach the pinnacle of something fabulous in their lives.  Each woman did so in accordance to the wonderful, independent women they were.  My favorite quote of all times is the very last words of that series:

"Later that day, I got to thinking about relationships.  There are those that open you up to something new and exotic, those that are old and familiar, those that bring up lots of questions, those that bring you somewhere unexpected, those that bring you far from where you started, and those that bring you back.

But the most exciting, challenging, and significant relationship of all is the one you have with yourself, and if you find someone to love the you *you* love, well, that's just fabulous."


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I am curious, who found their soulmate /a soulmate-ish person and is currently with that person

There are a lot of people who say they are with their soul mates, but I don't believe they really understand what a soul mate is.  You can be in the deepest of love and believe you are with a soul mate.  The truth is, if you make a decision not to be with that person than you really haven't found your TRUE soul mate.  There's a spiritual way to love someone and sometimes people get that deepest of loves mixed up with the person with whom every minute is nirvana.  I often think of Garth Brook's song unanswered prayers when I hear people say they let their soul mate go and they regret it. 

I've loved completely and I've been loved completely.  I knew, however, that I would never be able to be myself in that relationship.  I gave up the most incredible, intense love (emotional, spiritual and physical) and I have never regretted it.  I keep that in my pocket and remember it when I have someone trying to tell me to date someone who may be "the perfect guy for me."  The perfect guy for me isn't someone I can quantify.  The perfect guy for me is someone who knows who he is and isn't afraid to let me be the person I am.  He's the guy who champions my empowerment in any situation as much as I champion his.  A soul mate isn't someone you need to complete your life.  A soul mate is someone who compliments your life the same way the perfect pair of high heels compliments a dress.  The same way you compliment the person he is.  When people see you together, they can't imagine you apart. 

If people understood the only person who can "complete you" is yourself, there wouldn't be so much disappointment in relationships.

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The aforementioned Sex in the City did, but they planned the last season, knew it was the end.  GG didn't so we're stuck.  I am hoping for a movie update sooner rather than later.

Amy said from the beginning she knew what the last scene was going to be in the last episode.  However it ends, they already had a plan for it.

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Sorry to disappoint you,  but I'm 52, not a young whippersnapper, and I couldn't disagree with you more. In what universe is marrying a rich guy, moving to a house he's providing for you, and maybe finding a job in the place where he's moving for his job any kind of independent, thrilling, adventurous move? I couldn't think of anything more bourgeoisie if I tried!

I'm only a few years behind you.  Having a little stability when you're about to embark on the greatest changes in your life is only a prison if you allow it to be.  You can do a lot more with the essentials available to you than you can without them.  Bourgeoisie is moving into a house being provided for you and sitting on your rear-end eating truffles all day.  Rory's base of operations has time and again been in Paris Geller's crappy apartment (even though she's lived in Logan's apartment too).  Most people like to upgrade their living conditions upon the culmination of a stage of life.  It's not a sin to live in a nice house with a man who loves you. 

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A couple of people have mentioned this but I thought Logan pretty much forced her to -- there were a few shots during the graduation segment before that where he kept waving at her, reminding her he was there. I don't see how they could have had a conversation *without* her dealing with the issue, and I don't see how she could have kept ignoring that he was there, either.

Which supports my assertion about Rory's weakness.  You are the master of your life.  People don't control you, you give control to them. 

People who are in the military often lament their boot camp instructors as being the meanest, most sadistic people in the world.  The truth is boot camp is about you understanding where your own limits are.  If you don't know where your limits are, you do stupid things in the field and get killed.  People who are the most successful in boot camp are the ones who know who they are and allow their instructors to become nothing more than a little background noise.  The ones who fail are the ones who give all their power away to the people trying to take it.  Again, it's up to us to decide.  It's how we view what is happening around us.  Either you allow other people to make you believe you're not worthy of the best or you understand you can be anyone you want to be. 

Any woman worth her salt knows how to stall a man...or a conversation he wants to have...until she's ready to have it.  She could have suggested they go to a restaurant and have a great dinner, taken a wonderful last walk around the city she's been living in the last four years of her life, she could have told him flat out she wanted this last day to be a wonderful day she'd remember forever and they could talk about it later.  That's why they say women have all the power.  We really do!

Rory just gave the impression that it was something she had to "get over with" which indicates to me she didn't really love Logan as much as she thought she did to begin with.

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I would think that proposing in front of a bunch of people with no warning and not in a quiet, controlled atmosphere would also be considered trashy, then.

Have we not been watching the same show?  Everything in Logan's and Emily's world is about propriety.  Rory went to a cotillian for heaven's sakes!  As Rory's boyfriend, he should have factored in that she wasn't for all the fanfare (he did mention he considered that when they went outside - about how he finally decided it was appropriate because both her parents and grandparents were going to be there), but he did what was socially acceptable for a man of his stature and upbringing.  His father and Emily and Richard would have been proud and ecstatic they were able to be there to witness it...if Rory had said yes.

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You and me both!  I'm not only going to miss the one male character that I loved the most out of all the male characters in every show I've ever loved (Luke - the way that man holds a woman makes me weak at the knees), but I'm going to be sad that the girls never got a chance to explore everything they could be.  They kept going around in circles, returning to the same place they started instead of gaining some wisdom (Lorelai's neediness, Rory's inability to commit).  I'm going to miss all the town's people that I've come to know over the years, but most of all I'm going to miss the troubador!

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« Reply #292 on: May 11, 2007, 07:08:03 AM »

As I've said before, I am a Veronica Mars fan ... but let's be honest, we know what show has my true allegiance.  Wink

If there is to be any hope for season 8 (however small) ... Gilmore Girls needs to have had MONSTROUS ratings tonight.  HUGE.  Massive.  Colossal.  In addition, Veronica Mars, which airs right after our Girls, needs to have further dipped in the ratings department.

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« Reply #293 on: May 11, 2007, 07:45:59 AM »

TOUCY TOPIC HERE...

I am curious, who found their soulmate /a soulmate-ish person and is currently with that person
Who is stil looking
Who messed something up (that would be me)


I don't believe in just one soulmate....but the first person I was ever "with" and I had a very strong soul mate type connection. I couldn't figure out if it was just because he was my first love or my "soulmate" but I had a friend that I worked with who read aura's and I asked her if he and I were going to get married. Her responce was that sometimes people do no marry their soulmates and that she had not married hers.  Now I'm married to someone who I have a different type connection with but a more realistic and less puppy love-ish....I do consider him my soul mate but on a different level. That's why I don't believe there's just ONE soul mate for everyone.
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« Reply #294 on: May 12, 2007, 12:16:34 AM »

Well, even the mating of souls has to be put into perspective for a practical matter such as marriage. Supposing your soulmate is dealing with problems that are too much for you to support? Or supposing your soulmate has a demanding career, or a mountain of debt or a tendency to sexually harass your mother? A real soulmate doesn't "get away" because you think marriage is a little premature.

In Rory's case, she fantasizes about different jobs and locations more than she fantasizes about being married to her admittedly princely steady. She wants to be with him, but she doesn't want to live on the West Coast in his rental and choose between working at the Chronicle or the bookstore. (Yet, anyway.) It isn't a crime just because Logan can't stand the idea of being engaged to a girl he isn't living with.
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« Reply #295 on: May 12, 2007, 01:45:43 AM »

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Sorry to disappoint you,  but I'm 52, not a young whippersnapper, and I couldn't disagree with you more. In what universe is marrying a rich guy, moving to a house he's providing for you, and maybe finding a job in the place where he's moving for his job any kind of independent, thrilling, adventurous move? I couldn't think of anything more bourgeoisie if I tried!

I'm only a few years behind you.  Having a little stability when you're about to embark on the greatest changes in your life is only a prison if you allow it to be.  You can do a lot more with the essentials available to you than you can without them.  Bourgeoisie is moving into a house being provided for you and sitting on your rear-end eating truffles all day.  Rory's base of operations has time and again been in Paris Geller's crappy apartment (even though she's lived in Logan's apartment too).  Most people like to upgrade their living conditions upon the culmination of a stage of life.  It's not a sin to live in a nice house with a man who loves you.

I never said it was a sin, or even a bad thing. I was disagreeing with someone else's comment that it would have been an "independent, thrilling, adventurous move."

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A couple of people have mentioned this but I thought Logan pretty much forced her to -- there were a few shots during the graduation segment before that where he kept waving at her, reminding her he was there. I don't see how they could have had a conversation *without* her dealing with the issue, and I don't see how she could have kept ignoring that he was there, either.

Any woman worth her salt knows how to stall a man...or a conversation he wants to have...until she's ready to have it.  She could have suggested they go to a restaurant and have a great dinner, taken a wonderful last walk around the city she's been living in the last four years of her life, she could have told him flat out she wanted this last day to be a wonderful day she'd remember forever and they could talk about it later.  That's why they say women have all the power.  We really do!

This sounds like game-playing to me. If she'd already made up her mind, I think it would be cruel, not to mention emotionally difficult, to have a light, airy conversation about trivialities with him and refuse to give him an answer to such an important question that affects both their lives.

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I would think that proposing in front of a bunch of people with no warning and not in a quiet, controlled atmosphere would also be considered trashy, then.

Have we not been watching the same show?  Everything in Logan's and Emily's world is about propriety.  Rory went to a cotillian for heaven's sakes!  As Rory's boyfriend, he should have factored in that she wasn't for all the fanfare (he did mention he considered that when they went outside - about how he finally decided it was appropriate because both her parents and grandparents were going to be there), but he did what was socially acceptable for a man of his stature and upbringing.  His father and Emily and Richard would have been proud and ecstatic they were able to be there to witness it...if Rory had said yes.

Again, you have taken my remark out of context. I was responding to your specific comment that it was trashy of Rory to talk about Logan's proposal in a public place rather than a "quiet, controlled atmosphere." If it was inappropriate for her to talk about the proposal in a public place, then it was inappropriate of him to ask her in a public place. Even more so in her case, because she at least did so in a private conversation between the two of them, unlike Logan's very public proposal. Can't have it both ways.
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« Reply #296 on: May 12, 2007, 11:09:28 AM »

Just sticking my nose into the R&L debate with a point on Luke and Lorelai. She's finally admitted her long-standing resentment of his uncertainty to him, so the ball is squarely in his court. And even if it wasn't true, Lorelai's assertion that the song meant nothing was an important one.

Like she told the whole town she still loves him, but that doesn't mean she wants to hop back into bed with him again. She said she didn't know how she wanted him to respond, and it would have been unfair to Luke to let him go in there and try something if she still didn't even know she would say yes.
I know it's not a her-fault his-fault thing, but she apologized for sleeping with Christopher and admitted it wasn't who she really was, and he's apologized for leaving her hanging while asserting that he was being himself. Maybe she really isn't ready to just accept that about him and take a leap.
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« Reply #297 on: May 12, 2007, 02:08:37 PM »

I hate that the show is ending... I watch it 2x a day (ABC Family), 3 on Tuesday but Unto the Breach was so lame it was heart breaking.  Did the person that wrote the episode actually watch any GG from the past?  Richard calling Loralie "Sweetheart"?  Rory breaking up with Logan and not one tear?   Well maybe... but it ended as if they had just been dating for a week.  Are we to believe that Logan just walks off into the sun set?   Someone hijacked this show and turned it into their own play ground for their own purpose... LG.  Just beacsue you can't see the show ending in a marriage, that does not mean the fans agree!   
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« Reply #298 on: May 12, 2007, 02:42:04 PM »

I cried for an hour after that episode. I am now severly pissed at Rory. I agree with a few of you, after three years she justs ends it? WHAT THE HELL? But Logan was a tad pushy. But I'm still on his side. He really loves her. I mean, he was scared to commit and just have her as a girlfriend. He fricken PROPOSED to her. That says that he really, really loves her. I'm so mad at Rory right now I can't even explain it. I just... ugh. Don't misunderstand: I'm not mad at Alexis or Lauren. I'm mad at the writers and Rory and Lorelai. And then Lorelai's all "You'll find someone and you can have peanut trees" What the hell is that? It's a load of bull. I'm seriously writing hate mail to the writers. And I'm going to be depressed for weeks. I changed my happy R/L background to black. And my screensavers, too. My parents and friends think I'm overreacting. But I really don't care.
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« Reply #299 on: May 12, 2007, 02:47:35 PM »

I haven't read the spoilers, but there is one more episode left, who knows what will happen? Maybe Logan will realize how self-centered his ultimatum was, and reconsider. Maybe he will ask her to marry him again and say: " Marry me Rory, I will follow YOU wherever you want to go". Then Rory will say " I want to go to Palo Alto with you. ". And they'll live happily ever after. Hey, one can dream.

Sorry to double post, but I just saw this. And I wanted to say that fleet, you are a genius!!! Pray, pray, and pray!!!!!!! I love your idea!!!! I doubt it will happen Sad but I love it! Smiley
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