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« Reply #150 on: May 09, 2007, 03:59:55 AM »

I know...Sad I was just thinking what a shame it is. All these other ending shows got this big hooplah - Will and Grace, Friends, Everybody Loves Raymond - not Gilmore Girls, which deserves the biggest hooplah of all!
Oh. My. Effing. God. Next week? AHHH!
I'm glad Rory said no, but again, they made it so it seemed insiginificant somehow. Bugged me. I liked seeing Lucy and Olivia, though, and it was sad when Lorelai was crying during the ceremony. I also thought they did the Lorelai/Chris thing REALLY well, better than I'd thought - it was tastetful and not annoyingly fighting, it was good.
I felt so bad for poor Luke, hearing her say it meant nothing! You totally saw his face fall. Sad And I was like NO!!! when he didn't give her the necklace. That was sad. Did you notice how for a second she thought the earrings were for her? LOL.
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« Reply #151 on: May 09, 2007, 04:02:43 AM »

that eppy was awesome..................i missed when Rory and Logan broke up because i was crying soooooo hard
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« Reply #152 on: May 09, 2007, 04:57:16 AM »

ok, i know for certain now, i am going to be hysterical next week!!!!!!!!!!!! i started crying when Richard and Emily sang Rory a sing, and i calmed down just in time to start crying when the girls walked arm in arm to the line for graduation. then i calmed down on time to start crying over Paris telling Rory she would do great things, and hugging, i don't think i stopped after that!!!! Richard telling Lorelei the graduation was as much for her as for Rory, Lorelei being the only person standing for a minute, although i was expecting Rory to make a face like she did at the Chilton Graduation.  Then, Rory telling Logan no (the right answer, but still sad).....and then, Why did she have to pause before turning the light off?Huh?? I went into hysterics at that point!!!! and the preview for next week made it worse!!!!!!! 
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« Reply #153 on: May 09, 2007, 05:06:10 AM »

well, hmm, i never read spoilers but if i have my predictablity from the writers channeled in right i know what is going happen with the fate of luke & lorelei and rory & logan. i think however they did a terrible job at it if they were going for doing the ubersetback episode to have the ending be the uberhappy episode.
i said in the thread of "lorelei, lorelei" that rory & logan is way to young to get married and it's damn true. however should it have led to this? not really
i will still not give a rats arsed about the fate of luke and lorelei, so ye. kirk in the box, damn funny idea, but the idea fell flat.
Liza Weil looked beautiful with her hair like that in the graduation sequence. what else, best line of episode "After everything TJ's put you through?".
I thought the scenes with Christopher would get into the higher state of awkwardness, glad that it didn't. What else,,,, oh yeh, the intro with the mnemonic device thing was pissfunny
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« Reply #154 on: May 09, 2007, 05:26:28 AM »

So I am a Rory/Logan fan and I am alright witht he no, but i wish they didn;t break up. That just kinda sucked lol.  They should hav made a bigger deal about it I mean I didn't want to spoil rory graduation but you think that breakign up with your boyfriend of 3 years youd cry or something or show more emotion. I dont know Rory and Lorelai seemed to calm about it. I knew Lorelai knew that Logan was going to ask her but still it seems like it should have been a bigger deal.

purpleflippers I was doing the same thing you were. I couldn't stop crying esspecially after she paused before turning off the light.
also i was cring when she put the ring on when she was spacklying (sp?). I read the spoilers and knew that she was gonna say no but for a second there i thgouht that she was going to say yes.

Also I loved the talk between Lorelai and Luke about marriage and whne Lorelai said "After all this time how can you not know". and thne Luke goes inide he should have given her the necklace!!!! ergg.

Ok so I dont know how many people agree with me here but i don't think that they should have shown Luke and Lorelai kiss in the finale. I know most of us knew that was going to happen cuz its the lat episode ever but still I dont think they should have shown in. Anyway thats my opionon (?) off to watch it again.
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« Reply #155 on: May 09, 2007, 05:42:22 AM »

I'm doing heavy screening of posts.  I'm not reading anyone's posts unless I have a good idea they won't make me want to shoot the monitor. 

So, Ausiello, or whatever crackpot wrote the description, this is your idea of bittersweet?  Bitter, yes.  Where's the sweet?  All the fake booze and drugs in the world didn't help this episode.  I don't buy that Logan wouldn't try a long distance relationship.  To me, this wasn't about what Logan would do, but just a slap dab way to break them up.  The writers wrote the lines without considering the characters.  And, I'm watching House now, which has to be better, what with dying patients and cranky (hot) doctors and drug addictions.  So, I'll continue the tirade later.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

I so agree. I can't take this anymore. (But hey, now he is single for me. ::Sighs::.) Where the hell is the sweet? OOO! L/L back together, like we didn't already know that would happen. PUHlease DR. Logan wouldn't propose to a girl and then be all "Fudge you" when she says she wants to be with him but not be married. STUPID EPISODE!
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« Reply #156 on: May 09, 2007, 06:09:26 AM »

I CANNOT BELIEVE RORY SAID NO TO LOGAN!!!! I am 19, getting married next month, and 22 is so not too young to be married. Logan's right; it's pointless if she's not willing to take the next step. I can't believe this is the second to last episode, and she said no to Logan! Also, nothing happened with Luke and Lorelai! After they did the whole thing where April appears out of NOWHERE into Luke's life, and Lorelai marries Christopher out of NOWHERE, and ruin everything, you'd think they could put it together over the next SEASON not two episodes! I own seasons 1-5 on DVD, but I don't think I'll buy anymore if this is the way it is. So sad! I was hoping they would end the series with Rory in a prospective job engaged to Logan and Lorelai and Luke having been married and expecting a kid. So so sad. I am so disappointed. Is anyone with me?

BLESS YOU ! YOU ARE MY HERO!  No guts, no GLORY, Babe - you are SO RIGHT to marry when you LOVE the person, and screw the "AGE" of unenlightenment. Rory is brainwashed.

Looky here kiddies - i am FIFTY-FIVE years old, and actually a very hip person. I had a hip career, and i still write and write music/songs.  I traveled all over. Rode Harleys around America. I have no husband, no kids, i own Harleys, and Gibsons and Martins and and Alvarez too - i play blues harp. I am NOT yer gramma, ok?  So you should listen to ME you younguns.  Love may come to you BUT ONE TIME in your life - there is not an endless supply of LOVE - forget Gilmore Girls - that is FANTASY LAND. Do you ladies have any idea how many psychotic people abound?  Logan is, let's see - From money. Smart. Caring. A Man (gasp) Mature (we watched him mature, and Rory DID THAT - DUUUH, RORY!) He is resourceful, comes from a resourceful powerful family. He learned to be FAITHFUL. Let me pause there. Men are NOT born faithful, i hate to be the bearer of bad news.

Any young girl (or young guy) out there who is applauding Rory - is too young to actualy understand.  I also know young people who got married and are FINE. Life is SO very difficult. Please, if you find a man /a woman to love - don't say, "Oh, but Rory had her career first" - OK? PLease don't let your reason get clouded because you don't know where Gilmore Girls ends and LIFE begins.

I AM GOING TO WRITE MY OWN SCRIPT of how it should have ended and POST IT SOMEWHERE so we can all have the happy ending we want -put a  FORK in ROSENTHAL - IDIOT.

I am telling you, Rory turning down Logan has nothing to do with anything intelligent - all it does is expose the CARDBOARD SKELETON and THIN AIR GUTS of the team currently behind Gilmore Girls.  Look, these people are falible humans - I could DO BETTER - i could. I have, in my lifetime.

Going off with Logan WAS the thrilling, adventurous, crazy, BOLD spontaneous thing to do! DUH - For Rory to accept and just - GO - that would have been outside her comfort zone - BUT NO, the stupid writers will keep her locked in "unrequited - i need my career - let's look over the next horizon, as long as there are books there" BULLSNOT!  This is just VERY BAD WRITING, ok? Please oh please YOUNG ONES, don't make of Rory some folk hero who "followed her own voice" - you are way to young to understand that the writers did a quite passable job of getting those two to that point - for that much i do applaud them. But THEN, to just completely toss that - to ruin it and be so UNTRUE. That was NOT truth.  In Real Life - that girl would have been thrilled to go the next chapter with him.  Forget "long distance" and "can we try this" oh BARF BARF BARF.

Paris said it "YOu are Annette Benning! YOu landed the whale! (Warren Beatty) YES! Paris was RIGHT! Rory was THE ONE.

Hey, what about Logan, does no one care about Logan? He is not gonna just bounce back from this. He will probably go on to be a cheater, a drunkard, some loser who just uses women because that was THE WORST HEART BREAKING i ever saw some stupid woman pull off.  IT WREAKED OF "LET'S REALLY HEAT UP THE FORUM!"

See, the writers don't care, they don't even know the characters or love them as we do! It is just a job, maybe they even hate the whole thing. I say this BECAUSE any writers who CARED could not have done that to those two characters - exile them to "unrequited-ville"

Oh sure, Rory will just have a boatload of suitors, RIGHT? WRONG, kiddies - i was enuf like Rory (smart, beautiful, captivating spirit) to know - men adored me - from afar though, because i seemed untouchable. Rory was SO LUCKY to find Logan, who was NOT threatened!  I am going on about this becasue i feel this is a serious topic for girls.

OK, - tell me, those who feel Rory did the RIGHT THING - tell me WHY! - and not some lame*ss reason like "She has to follow her career" - that is NOT the right answer, since Rory is floundering, and could just work at ANY PAPER now.  I am a writer and guess what - i don't need a brick and mortor community! I can live ANYWHERE and do what i do!  So can Rory.  No no, you must give me REAL LIFE reasons why.  I mean, we know she loves him, she says so... he fits all criteria anyone in her life would want, so - in keeping with the SCRIPTS of the show - explain to me WHY she had LOGIC behind her refusal - if you can.

WHAT WAS THE PROBLEM WITH HIM AGAIN?

Ok GO - and i will promptly debate you and show any reason to be FALSE.  Remember, we can't say, "She did not really love him" becasue in the script she did. We also cannot say, "She is too young" since 22 is plenty old enuf - she is legal age, she is out of school, so you CANNOT arbitrarily say a 22-year old person is not old enuf to marry.That argument would not fly. PLUS - PLUS and this is huge - a woman's fertility is only high when she is at the start of her reproductive life - a woman's fertility goes down every few years, you know. So, to say, "I wanna wait, and have kids at 40" = GOOD LUCK!

DISCLAIMER: I must here interject that i am favor of childbearing ONLY through marriage - i am not in favor of a girl just decidiing to get pregnant on her own. I am talking about childbearing ONLY in the context of marriage. What i mean is, if Rory wants babies, and she loves Logan, then she has a better chance to get pregnant in her younger decades - rather than her older ones. Please do not misinterpret this in any way.  Thank you.

CATSHEA - i say again, YOU ARE MY ADVENTUROUS, COURAGEOUS HERO to just go with your heart and marry - i mean, it is ALWAYS a crapshoot - whether you are nineteen or 59 - there are NO guarentees - better to take the next step than to be a COWARD - which is what Rory is = RORY IS A COWARD and nothing more.

Sorry, little Rory lovers who feel Rory should remain this little girl frozen in time, but I HAVE LIVED ALL THOSE DECADES - i know. I know because i was there already....   I was the free spirit - who looked around one day and realized i had a career and money and lots of things - but no PERSON.  I followed every whim except to find a PERSON - until i was older - when all the good men are married or in their divorces and bitter - I WISH i would have found a man when i was young, but i matured slowly in that department, ok?  I was not even "active" until i was 23 years old. For Rory to develop that far and then - CUT IT OFF? No, that' wrong. Stupid.  Again i say BAD WRITING.

Do not let a poorly written show cause you to return a lovely diamond some day when you are 22 and the man of your dreams is before you. That is all i hope for you young teenagers.  Listen to Granny Hip over here.... LIfe is TOO SHORT.  Tongue Ok, i need coffee - and an enema maybe... Oh, sorry, wrong thread...

HELP ME i am having GG withdrawal already!  Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry
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« Reply #157 on: May 09, 2007, 06:11:52 AM »

I loved this episode. When Logan proposed to Rory it made me cry. Emily and Richard singing was just kind of odd.
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« Reply #158 on: May 09, 2007, 06:33:43 AM »

I'm doing heavy screening of posts.  I'm not reading anyone's posts unless I have a good idea they won't make me want to shoot the monitor. 

So, Ausiello, or whatever crackpot wrote the description, this is your idea of bittersweet?  Bitter, yes.  Where's the sweet?  All the fake booze and drugs in the world didn't help this episode.  I don't buy that Logan wouldn't try a long distance relationship.  To me, this wasn't about what Logan would do, but just a slap dab way to break them up.  The writers wrote the lines without considering the characters.  And, I'm watching House now, which has to be better, what with dying patients and cranky (hot) doctors and drug addictions.  So, I'll continue the tirade later.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.
To be fair, Logan who was turned down by someone who gave no indication that she never wanted to marry him and seemed to agree to include each other in their future plans ('Hay Bale Maze') I would say that Logan is hurt more than anything else.  Perhaps if the show had gone on a little longer we would have found that they could have worked things through.  Last night we were shown a young man who wanted his girlfriend to be his wife.  Being turned down because "life is so open right now" is cause enough to have Logan walk away.  I do believe that they could or would have reconciled.
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« Reply #159 on: May 09, 2007, 06:39:48 AM »

REGARDING LOGAN DOING LONG DISTANCE.

I thought it was RIGHT for Logan to not just say, "Ok, we will do LD then." People, ladies, you have to look beyond the scene, ok? You have to consider all the momentum Logan had, all the planning, all the resolution to just "do it" - to take Rory as a wife.  This was a huge step, esp. for "Warren Beatty" - so Logan has all this momentum, he is planning to be a married man - he wants to PROGRESS - PROGRESS, not go back - heck, at least the writers put that part in - "I don't wanna go backwards" - BINGO!

Here is an analogy that might help.  I was dating this manslut, ok? He - cheated.  Well, finally, we got more serious, and he had been faithful for a while, which is a joke, since either you are all faithful or not, you can't be "sorta faithful"  Wel, moving along... One day, after we had been getting along well (i had realy fallen in love with him, unfortunately) he "slipped" again.  At that very moment when i found out, i cut it off forever, never spoke to him again.  You see, after having a glimpse of how good we really were together, i was NOT willing to take a step back and be "one of the girls" again - it was beneath me, it made me feel bad - sad, depressed, used... many things.

YOu have to get inside Logan's head - if you think he should have opted to do the LD thing for a while, then you have failed to understand the TRUTH of the moment.  I absolutely agree with Logan.  See, WE - us, the viewers - WE want him to say, "Oh, ok, we will try the LD thing"  Because then we get everything we want - our cake and eat it too.    But for Logan this would be a false response.  He was correct - it would be going backwards.  To a time when you had to use the phone and text messages - like highschool.  It would NOT be Rory and Logan starting a new chapter, rather it would be some watered down, loser relationship. Logan actually showed enormous courage to walk away - to say, "No, this is what we should be doing now - we should be getting married, after 3 years.  We love each other and we are not teenagers - this is the next step in maturity"

I have to say, i am so locked down on this thing - i so very much agree that Logan was right to just cut it off.  NOW THEN. I could see this.... I could see one of them finding out they can't live apart from the other, and making some new appeal. Yes, that i would buy. Such as.

SCENARIO ONE: Logan shows up and asks Rory again to drop her dawdling and marry him (but not do the LD - that is being a weener and settling and letting Rory lead him by the nose - NOT GOOD for any man, sorry)
SCENARIO TWO: Rory comes to her senses and find Logan and says, "If you stil want me, i have come to my senses - i want to marry you, will you take me back."


Well, see, this is the "dream" i will tell myself IF i ever wanna watch my DVDs again. I don't even know. I MAY need to just - stop - just leave Gilmore Girls by the side of the road, with that cheating boyfriend of mine. I mean, it was the right thing to do - drop him forever. That was the courageous thing to do - just give up, knowing he would never give me what i wanted.

Ok, now you know my gory details....

ADDITION: I see people here agreeing on parts of what Logan did, etc. I think the sad part is the show is ending, so we can't see if L/R come back together. People do that too - walk off in a huff, then reconsider. That could happen - ANYTHING can happen, of course. But all we have is what the show gives us. People may be sad that the L/R thing was not left more "open-ended" - but what would that accomplish that WE cannot think ourselves? I mean, unless someone dies, there is always a reconciliation in the future - that COULD happen. I almost got back together with my Ex-husband. We discussed it, and he said, "I think i wanna come back then" but then i said, "Well, let's just wait a minute here...." and my hesitation showed him that it was too late. BUT - we talked about it.   So, i mean to be technical about it, if i wanna "pretend" that Logan and Rory end up better than me and my boyfriends - i can do that - whatever gets you thru the night.

On that note - I HAVE A LIFE - and so maybe it is good that GG is ending? Maybe after 7 seasons of being passive / aggressive with a silly TV show - i can finally go on that big TELEVISION FAST that i have been wanting!  Yes!

As for Luke and Lorelai - i had become so engrossed in the Rory Logan story, that L/L is almost anti-climactic for me. It realy is, because Rory is the one who could have a happy life - a happy life that is full of love INSTEAD OF full of bad deadend dates.

Oh, THE WORST LINE of that whole show was of course Lorelai's speech to Rory at the end. "One day, it will just seem right, and you will know" OH BOOOGHWAH! Lorelai - have you gone INSANE? First off, Lorelai should be BANNED from giving "love advice" - to ANYONE. She is a train wreck in that department! Secondly, she cannot say that! Rory may NEVER MARRY and NEVER LOVE again. Yes, folks, it could happen that way.  I KNOW PEOPLE who got a broken heart, got guilted, whatever, and just stopped. I knew a guy - he got his heart broken - boom that was it - he would NEVER go on another date. He just had his life - alone, with his other persuits, hobbies, music, etc. But women - were a thing of the past.

It can happen, and Lorelai is too stupid about love and relationships to talk to anyone, i just had to repeat that....

OK, i think i may have to extricate myself - no kidding. This maybe be like a bad bad break-up .

I AM DREADING NEXT TUESDAY - JUST DREADING IT. Unless they have Rory reconsider, then nothing in that eppy would make me happy - L/L - Sorry, that is such old news to me now - come on, admit it= OTHERS of you are secretly thinking this too! Who will be fearless and come forward with me -ANYONE?

Thanks again. I prefer Asparagus to Tomatoes, btw - when you throw things...

I LOVE YOU ALL - I ENJOY THIS SO MUCH - THANK YOU.  Are we gonna continue posting and rewatching and all? I am serious about writing scripts. Maybe i will write a pilot for a SPIN-OFF with Rory and Logan. Yeah!
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« Reply #160 on: May 09, 2007, 07:01:48 AM »

Honestly i almost cried when Rory graduated, b/c it was like you went through it too. We all have been there since season 1 when she started Chilton, and i cried when she graduated there too. She made the right desicion about Logan. I wish they would have another season, just so they can completely end the Luke and Lorelai thing. They need to get back together. but i cant wait to see the KISS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #161 on: May 09, 2007, 07:38:21 AM »

I am kinda glad that Rory turned Logan down, b/c they are so young and if she said yes then she would have to move away from her mom and Luke and everyone from the Hollow. I am so MAD that they are ending it next week. im gonna cry b/c i love this show. it seems that they are ending all the good shows. but oh well.

Hello, i know many of you are young, but i wil try again...

My Dad saw my Mom first in a cow barn, milking a cow.  I am writing a story about them, so i won't give a way all the details, BUT - it was love at first sight. They married and had a child, then my dad went to war, but on a merchant ship that supplied the troops - he made it all the way to the other side of the world.

My Dad was only 21 and my Mom was 23 and they married and survived the war and great poverty, and raising 4 kids in a tiny house, and they were NOT too young. They used their youth and vitality to grow together, to stay positive, and to work hard to make a life. They were not jaded and divorced and there was no "family blending" necessary - they were the purest expression of love i could ever see - they are the reason i have a spirit that draws people to me - all types of people. I am so very lucky to have that always in my heart.

What Rory did had no basis in logic. There is a huge difference between 15 or 16 and - 21 or 22.  Really, kids, there is. You do mature a lot in those years. I know some of you younguns may be responding as you would in YOUR OWN HEARTS. But when you are in your early 20's you will see that - it does not every get easier, ok? It is always some part gamble, some part hard work, some part luck, and all parts LOVE, Devotion, commitment. You can be a committed person at 21, as my Dad was - if you have such great character.  And then, some people will NEVER have that character.  AGE is not the proper measuring stick. It has to do with guts, commitment, belief in the right things, honesty, and what you want from life.  If Rory never wanted marriage, then in my opinion, she should have broken it off with Logan - LONG AGO, because only an idiot would not see that she was changing him, and causing him to commit to HER - and her alone. Only a completely stupid woman would be blind to that. And Rory is not stupid.  No, i think Rory is simply brainwashed by her Mother's bad choices with men. And she is a coward.

Sorry, but this one is on RORY.  IMO.

HI = i had to edit this because i goofed up and was responding to a different quote - i realized my mistake and deleted a section of my post. SORRY.

I mean, if you want a career and that comes first, then you may as well say, "don't ever get married" - is that what people are saying then? If that is true, then i am more depressed for this country than i ever was...   Sorry, but this is really bumming me out.

i think i will NOT BUY more DVDs. = I have to punish the bad writing and NOT give them any more of my MONEY or TIME. I will also try very hard NOT to get involved in any other series. Not worth it.

Timk - you are there somewhere?  WE should talk.

I want to keep reminding all of you, i am 55 and i made my love mistakes, and tel you what - adventures alone are fantastic, BUT, to have no one to share with - it gets very very old. And I had all that Rory had, and somehow i ended up alone in the end.  So, please stop diluding yourself that any woman can just ring a bell when she is "ready" to get married (old enuf, career enuf, whatever) and all these lovely men will come rushing in and she just picks one and gets a big rock and so on... OR she finds  her "Steadman" - Oprah found steadman - not rory, and maybe not you!  Think about it.............  Marry for LOVE, i say, not on some arbitrary timetable.
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Lorelai: None.
Luke: Plus--
Lorelai: Five.  But yours is better.

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« Reply #162 on: May 09, 2007, 07:43:35 AM »

Oh, THE WORST LINE of that whole show was of course Lorelai's speech to Rory at the end. "One day, it will just seem right, and you will know" OH BOOOGHWAH! Lorelai - have you gone INSANE? First off, Lorelai should be BANNED from giving "love advice" - to ANYONE. She is a train wreck in that department!


Didn't anyone make the connection between her advice and her situation? It took Lorelai a while to realize her feelings for Luke, but when she decided that she wanted to marry him, she asked. She didn't hesitate. She just knew. The only thing that held her back was that she and Rory had not made amends. When they finally did, she continued to be ready to get married. She just knew. She's ready.

She just knows. No, we won't get a wedding, but we'll probably be left with the "she's ready" sentiment... and isn't that all we really ever wanted to begin with?

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« Reply #163 on: May 09, 2007, 07:49:35 AM »

Hailey

I read your post, but i guess i don't see the logic here. Lorelai messed everything up with Luke, one way or another. How does that make her able to tell Rory what to DO?  Consider this Hailey - maybe Rory is just following in L's bad footsteps, hesitating, breaking engagements in a way - you know, you CAN start to believe that it is NEVER RIGHT. That is what they call cold feet.  I have to think on this more. but i have to get the bank right now.. LATER.

IF Lorelai "just knows" then why did she marry Christopher. I am sorry to say i find flaws in your logic, and i say that with utmost respect for you as a person. Thank you for your response to me.  Later on this........

NOTE: i am trying to key off of what i saw in the script.  Rory seemed SO in love with Logan, taking him back before, working thru ALL THINGS. I mean, if that is not a SIGN that he is the one - then i don't get it.  What MORE does Rory want?  Does she require GOD to come down with an engraved invitation.

Lorelai may be wrong - maybe you don't "just know" - maybe we are past that now in this ridiculous society with so much NOISE coming at us and idiots like "Uncle Phil" telling us how to be mean, rude, and overcontrolling to other people and also showing us the worst of the worst of peopl! YOu look at that footage and you think - forget it NOT ME, i am not gonna marry some guy..... Maybe the era of good hookups is OVER? Well, maybe that's the case. GG seems to be proving that.
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Lorelai: Please Luke, please please please.
Luke: How many cups have you had this morning?
Lorelai: None.
Luke: Plus--
Lorelai: Five.  But yours is better.

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« Reply #164 on: May 09, 2007, 07:57:45 AM »

Oh, wise zeddie Wink.  Such a mistake Rory made.  Now that I’ve slept off the hangover I can’t decide who I’m more upset with, Rory or the writers for creating this unpleasant situation.  It’s very much a doubled edged sword.  I can completely understand where both of them came from but it did not need to go down this way.  Not at all.  Logan put himself out there, he was ready to take the next step with this woman who meant the world to him and made everything worthwhile (one of the sweetest, most heartfelt proposals I’ve ever heard BTW).  He was truly committed in every way and that is incredibly admirable, not everyone can say that about themselves even when they believe they are committed.  He had everything planned out; maybe that is where he went wrong.  I don’t know that there was any other choice for him once she said no.  Yes, I would have liked any of the other options, but once you have proposed and someone says ‘no but let’s keep dating’, as Logan said what’s the point?  If a proposal has been turned down that means the relationship is not going to evolve past its current state, it’s not going anywhere because a no is a no.  What makes it worse is that Rory does love him and she did imagine herself possibly being married to him one day.  Since that is the case and he’s standing before you saying now or never you say now, honey.  You say yes I want to spend the rest of my life with you because I love you but let’s have a long engagement so we can get settled first – I cannot fathom why she didn’t say something along these lines other than the writers wanted these two broken up.  I could name a million other things she could have said but I’ll stop there.  Logan will be devastated, I agree.  I don’t see him bouncing back from this one quickly at all.  Everything he thought his life was, is over.  All he will have left is his job if he can even concentrate enough to complete his tasks as he should.  At least he is moving 3000 miles away so there will be few reminders of her.  Hopefully he doesn’t rent that house with the avocado tree, ugh. 

In a way I understand Rory not wanting to commit.  I really do, the world is her oyster and that can give a person a false sense of empowerment.  While I understand her wanting to have as many options as possible I don’t see how committing to Logan closes any doors.  I don’t see how she sees that it closes doors.  And I certainly don’t understand her not running after the man she loves when he walked away.  What are you doing letting him walk out of your life??  Whatever is out there for her will not be as sweet because she will not have Logan to share it with, that is the simple truth, Lorelai will not be a substitute for that.  He brightened her life in so many ways no one else could.  And while I like the analogy of him telling her they should jump again I do think Lorelai’s ‘jumping’ and the consequences of it influenced Rory which is sad.  Did Rory learn nothing from Luke?  Her supposed father figure.  When the person you want to spend your life with is asking you to spend your life with them you can’t back out in fear of the unknown.  You have to be strong and listen to your heart, the heart that was making her smile when she tried the ring on.  She may very well never find a love to match this one.  But she may.  It could go either way but no, love does not come knocking as often as we like to think it does.  I think it was too early for Lorelai to say something along those lines, but it is a comfort line fed to every woman coming off a bad break up so I can’t blame her.  As far as telling Rory she did the right thing, that was not good.  Not good at all, you don’t say that to someone so soon either.  Number one, because you will be eating those words for the rest of your life if they get back together.  Number two, after how badly she wanted Lorelai to give her the answer, Lorelai agreeing with her decision so soon after it was made taints her advice from here on out.  If Rory does decide she can’t bear life without Logan and wants to go back to him she will always have Lorelai’s voice in the back of her mind saying she did the right thing.  It could, of course, be seen as a mother trying to comfort her child but she could have gone about it in a better way.  There is a way to make someone feel better about this type of decision without agreeing with everything they did. 

Life’s short, get a divorce, anyone hear about this?  Sort of fits the situation - life is short don’t waste time on love.  Well maybe not, but it makes sense to me.  This post OTOH (how’s that for acronym usage?) is not the least bit short, I am aware of that. 

Aside from this glaring black mark I did like the episode.  The Sookie and town scenes were good.  I liked the resolution between Lorelai and Christopher but that will be saved for another thread so as not to make this post any longer.  I wonder if he’s invited to Lorelai’s graduation party for Rory?  Emily and Richard, I found endearing, especially the song and didn’t think that was horrible or tacky.  I thought it was cute and above and beyond for them which is only fitting for Rory.  Lorelai and Luke, eh, they have also gone by the wayside, zed but they weren’t front and center to me for long to begin with so that’s not saying much. 
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