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« Reply #435 on: August 29, 2008, 01:31:49 am »

I will probably make a lot of enemies, but I have to say that for the most part I really hated Emily and Richard.  If I had parents especailly a mother like that, I would have moved across the country not just half an hour away.  Granted Lorelai caused some of her own problems with them but if Emily was really so worried about Lorelai not continuing to come to FNDs, I would think that she would have treated Lorelai a lot better.  All that she really wanted was to get her gready little hands on Rory and take her to the dark side with them which they did succeed in doing.  But then Emily started treating Rory just like she did Lorelai.  The stupid woman didn't have a clue that she was so good at sending her family running away from her.  Fortunately Rory caught on and got out of there, too.  Yeah, she had a couple of semi-nice days but they were few and far between.  I see her as a selfish, self-centered, manipulitive, bitch.  I have to mute the TV when Emily gets going on some of her rants.  Especially the ones when she is putting down Luke.  That is just how I feel about mainly Emily.   Okay, hit me with your best shot.  I can so see it coming. 
Wow, very nice post. I'm not fully anti-Emily/Richard, but you are right with everything you said about Emily. I don't like how she trash talked Luke either. I especially get pissed during Wedding Bell Blues (which I just watched) when she rudely says "oh, hello Luke" during the conversation just after Lorelai and Rory arrived at the hall. Then her and Richard speak rudely of what Luke is wearing. I also hated how Rory was manipulated into going to Yale. I may be the minority with this? But I believe she should of done the Harvard thing. That was all they talked about!

I don't mute Emily (lol), but I so understand every point you made. Yet, she isn't my least favorite character.
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« Reply #436 on: August 29, 2008, 04:20:30 am »

... I also hated how Rory was manipulated into going to Yale. I may be the minority with this? But I believe she should of done the Harvard thing. That was all they talked about!

I also wanted Rory to do the Harvard thing but my thoughts are that the writers didn't expect the show to reach its fourth season. The whole show is about the mother-daughter relationship and S.H. BUT if Rory goes to Harvard they will have to end the show. There will not be the close mother-daughter thing and there will not be the Friday Nights Dinners. So the show probably will face some serious problems and maybe even face cancellation. So i think it was a good save with Rory going to Yale instead.
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« Reply #437 on: August 29, 2008, 10:47:51 am »

kamibeaR ~ Yeah, I thought for sure that I would be trashed, kinda like I trashed Emily, for saying how much I hate her and Richard.  I agree with everything you added.  I didn't start muting Emily until after I saw the episodes six or seven times and sometimes I won't if it isn't all that bad or if Lorelai is a big part of the conversation, but if I don't, I get so damn mad at her that my blood pressure actually rises.  Season 5 I think was the worst.  Who is your least favorite character?

Sidney Wow, I think that this is the first time that we agree with each other Cheesy.  I definately agree that once the show was going to go into a season 4, they did have to bring Rory to a closer university so Yale was the likely choice.  I'm not really sure if that was a last minute, so to speak, decision or if it was their intention all along.  With the way that Richard always pushed it and Emily and Richard seemed to always win, I kind of always thought that she would end up at Yale.  It wasn't a surprise at all to me.  I never really felt that they really manipulated the decision since, to me, the final decision was made by way of the Pro/Con lists and Rory was hesitant about accepting what the lists conclusion was.  However, I always did want her to go to Harvard because it was a life long dream of hers and Lorelai's and I didn't want Richard to win.  I didn't think of the distance from home thing until it was brought up by Emily and also Sherry.  I really didn't want Rory close to Sherry. 
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« Reply #438 on: August 29, 2008, 04:35:36 pm »

... I also hated how Rory was manipulated into going to Yale. I may be the minority with this? But I believe she should of done the Harvard thing. That was all they talked about!

I also wanted Rory to do the Harvard thing but my thoughts are that the writers didn't expect the show to reach its fourth season. The whole show is about the mother-daughter relationship and S.H. BUT if Rory goes to Harvard they will have to end the show. There will not be the close mother-daughter thing and there will not be the Friday Nights Dinners. So the show probably will face some serious problems and maybe even face cancellation. So i think it was a good save with Rory going to Yale instead.
Ah yes, like Cherilee I agree with this. Of course the show would not of had what it did because of Yale, but I was still upset over the college choice. Also, it wasn't a surprise to me as well. I get the fact that the pro/con list was done and Yale came out as the best, but Richard did first get his claws into her during Let The Games Begin -3.8- with the campus tour and interview.. grrrr!

Cherilee, as for my least favorite character it definitely isn't any lead ones. While I'm not fond of Christopher for getting in between L/L and being the guy who Lorelai runs to, I also do feel bad for the guy. I really just can't stand Taylor, and there are a few times where Jess really irks me, but I don't straight out dislike him.

All this Gilmore talk.. I think I'll need to continue watching season 5 soon!
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« Reply #439 on: August 29, 2008, 07:12:12 pm »

To continue with the Harvard/Yale thing.  Yes, Richard did start the whole thing about Yale, but in Tales of Poes and Fire when the pro/con list was being made, it was Lorelai, the one who was totally against Yale, who came to the conclusion that it should be Yale.  Rory questioned her about it.  That doesn't mean that Rory wasn't thinking about Yale over Harvard, but I do think that no matter where she had deceided that she would like to go, she would have gone to Harvard just because that is where they both had planned it to be.  It is really strange for me to in a way side with Richard on this, and yes, what he and Emily had said about Yale was floating around in Lorelai's head, it altimately was Lorelai who came to the conclusion of it being Yale.  If that made sence. 

Although Christopher and Jess along with some of the others in town were annoying and did things that really made me mad, they all still had good sides that I liked.  Not so much Taylor, he was just a major downer for everyone and only used his powers to help himself.  I have to agree, I didn't like him much either, but it is still Emily that I disliked the most.  Some times I think that I should step back and stop watching the show for awhile because the more I watch it, the more aggravated I get with some of the characters.   
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« Reply #440 on: October 19, 2008, 11:46:53 am »

I know this is probably going to get me pelted with rotten fruit - but I've been watching season 5 recently and although I kind of felt this before, the feeling is getting stronger but Rory, (although a nice person and doesn't do it delibrately most of the time) is a seriously bad girlfirend and that any guy that has feelings for her should run screaming as staying close to the woman will just drag them into a mire and destroy their lives.  Jess got out and matured into a half decent individual, but Dean and Marty - not so much. I'm just saying that is all!

Also, is it just me but when Luke (who I like) compared Rory to Pippi Longstocking and said that Rory deserves a prince and wasn't meaning Jess, was anyone else slightly creeped out by that?  I know he has always looked out for her, acting as a pseudo father figure to her at times and he didn't like Dean but I think that line was a little too much.
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« Reply #441 on: October 19, 2008, 11:59:57 am »

I know this is probably going to get me pelted with rotten fruit - but I've been watching season 5 recently and although I kind of felt this before, the feeling is getting stronger but Rory, (although a nice person and doesn't do it delibrately most of the time) is a seriously bad girlfirend and that any guy that has feelings for her should run screaming as staying close to the woman will just drag them into a mire and destroy their lives.  Jess got out and matured into a half decent individual, but Dean and Marty - not so much. I'm just saying that is all!

Also, is it just me but when Luke (who I like) compared Rory to Pippi Longstocking and said that Rory deserves a prince and wasn't meaning Jess, was anyone else slightly creeped out by that?  I know he has always looked out for her, acting as a pseudo father figure to her at times and he didn't like Dean but I think that line was a little too much.

I agree with you. Rory makes a bad girlfriend especially with Dean. We have to admit that he probably loved her the most, more than anyone else did and it was a self-destructive relationship. She treated him real bad. He deserved so much more. Anyone in his situation deserved a lot more. With Jess, i think he's the one who treated her like nothing. He was the bad partner in their relationship. I kind of look at it as a bad karma after how she treated Dean.

I very much agree with what you said about Luke. That line bugged me from the start and it still has the same effect. I don't think Luke ever were like a father to Rory. I don't think Rory ever looked at him like that. They have kind of a cold relationship, maybe not quite cold but a little more like formal. What annoys me most about the Luke/Rory thing is that he claims to care about what's best for Rory and that no one is good enough for her but he was rooting for her and Jess to be together knowing what a bad boy Jess is. He didn't care about how that would effect Rory. He just cared about Jess or himself or whatever.
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« Reply #442 on: October 19, 2008, 12:17:05 pm »

Oh thank god it isn't just me - I know people bash Dean especially ithe season 5 version, but I was watching 5.03 the other day and it just felt that Rory was wanting everything her way there was no room to what he was thinking.

What I mean is, he suggested that she come to see him as he didn't have a car and the bus would take too long and she was half hearted about it, as if she expected him to just to come to her whenever she wanted.  As for Jess, yes he was a bad partner to her with the not calling and things, but she didn't pick him up on it, like she expected him just to one day wake up and be the bad boy she liked but be at her beck and call like Dean was and then she was put out when he didn't.

I'm not bashing Rory as I like the fact she works hard and on the whole tries to get along with everybody it is just the way she acts with the men in her life is what I'm talking about.

As for Luke - thinking on it even though he first rooted for Rory/Jess, when Jess turned up again for his car didn't he warn him away from Rory because of the effect on her, or am I remembering that wrong?  Because if I remember that right that makes his behaviour a little more creepy in my mind, especially when you factor in him attacking Dean during season 1. 
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« Reply #443 on: October 20, 2008, 09:32:54 am »

I think I should contribute my opinions to this thread. Many of my opinions people have said so I'll TRY not to repeat  (but I don't promise!)

1) Chris and Lorelai had better chemistry then Luke and Lorelai. It's just that no one was going to accept it - the fans loved L/L, the producers loved L/L. C/L were written off before they even began.

2) Lane should NOT have married Zack and had kids. When she and Zack broke up they should have stayed broken up. Lane should have got a new boyfriend or something. They could have had a storyline that it put pressure on the band and eventually the band broke up. At the end of the series Lane should have moved away from Stars Hollow, to LA or New York, and joined another band to pursue the rock star dream. I just hate that they left her married with 2 kids at 22 (not that that is a bad thing, I just really don't think it was Lane). I just know that 10 years down the line Lane would still be living in Stars Hollow, possibly still playing local venues with her band. I know that Rory is the main character but I just hate that Rory gets to do all this amazing stuff whilst Lane, who is as hardworking and passionate about her dreams as Rory, is left behind, stuck in Stars Hollow.

3) The Chilton Years were the Golden Years of the show. Don't et me wrong, I love the later seasons too but when I truly think of Gilmore Girls, I think of the happier days, seasons 1-3. When there was less soapy drama and more heart.

4) Marty and Rory wouldn't have made a good couple but they made great friends. Why oh why did they have to make Marty have a crush on Rory? I think that had they made them really good friends - just friends - it could have contributed a lot to the show.
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« Reply #444 on: October 20, 2008, 11:05:35 am »

I know this is probably going to get me pelted with rotten fruit - but I've been watching season 5 recently and although I kind of felt this before, the feeling is getting stronger but Rory, (although a nice person and doesn't do it delibrately most of the time) is a seriously bad girlfirend and that any guy that has feelings for her should run screaming as staying close to the woman will just drag them into a mire and destroy their lives.  Jess got out and matured into a half decent individual, but Dean and Marty - not so much. I'm just saying that is all!

I kinda disagree with that statement because we have to understand that in Season 4.  Rory was going through a transitional period in her life.  Living away from home, living out of the comfort of Stars Hollow, and not being with anyone.  I think she was so hurt by what Jess did to her, she was trying to get back in the dating scene and ended up in the comfort of Dean... yet there was one problem.

Dean had gotten married and was more interested in rekindling some old passions with Rory that he forgot the fact that he was married.  We should also remembered that he blamed Rory for the dissolution of his marriage to Lindsay and didn't take any responsibility.  


As for Luke - thinking on it even though he first rooted for Rory/Jess, when Jess turned up again for his car didn't he warn him away from Rory because of the effect on her, or am I remembering that wrong?  Because if I remember that right that makes his behaviour a little more creepy in my mind, especially when you factor in him attacking Dean during season 1.

I also disagree with that because he did care about Rory more than anyone else, with the exception of maybe Lorelai and later, April.  We should remember that Dean was acting in ways in front of Luke that he shouldn't have acted as a married man.  Luke didn't want to see Rory get hurt again.  He felt guilty over what Jess did and knows that Jess was ashamed of how he treated her.  I think Luke just wanted Rory to be happy and find the right guy.  Dean is not the right guy.

Now that we're on the subject of unpopular opinions.

Even though I hadn't seen any episodes of Season 7 except reading the entire season through transcripts.  I think Rory did the right thing in saying no to Logan.  Not for her own reasons but for him as well.

If it wasn't for Rory, Logan would still have been the arrogant, troublemaking pretty boy still stuck in casual dating, Life & Death Brigrade stunts, and working under the shadow of his father.  Rory got him out of all of these things where after parting ways with his father to go on his own.  His path was set yet the difference was that Rory won't join him.  I think Rory, in some ways, broke up with him so he can get a chance to forge a path for himself.  As sad as he was that he and Rory broke it off.  He needed to do it to learn about survival.  Now that he's on his own, he has to prove to himself that he can succeed without his father.  

Rory should be given credit for having a positive effect on both Jess and Logan because without her, they wouldn't have had the chance to change or better themselves and strive for their own success.  

I know the series is over but to me, the Virtual Gilmore Girls series really filled the void that is needed for those who still couldn't part with the series.  I feel it's far superior than most fan fiction stories.  Here's another unpopular opinion that I know will upset both Literatis and Headliners.

I don't think Rory should go back with either Jess and Logan and instead, both of those guys should get different girlfriends.  Rory already paved a path for both of them and now it's time for them to find women on their own that can put up with them and not be threatened by Rory.  
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« Reply #445 on: October 20, 2008, 12:10:57 pm »

Okay I think I missed the bit where he blamed Rory for the dissolution of his marriage?  Okay he was half hearted with his response about leaving Lindsay if Rory hadn't sent the letter but when did he out and out say that Rory was to blame and it didn't stop Rory going out with him. 

Also how didn't he take any responsibility - did I miss that too?  Do we know for a fact he didn't, it could have happened offscreen, it might have do we know?  All of Dean's life that didn't involve Rory seemed to happen offscreen  - Yes, I know Lindsay's mom's confronted Rory and Dean's mom was uncomfortable with Rory, but even if Dean had taken all the responsibility those people would still be off with Rory.  Also didn't he say that he didn't want rub Lindsey's face in it by flaunting his and Rory's relationship when he said he didn't want go to the rally?  Even though he eventually went to it in the end just to please Rory.

Personally I think that Dean in season 5 is not much more than a doormat to Rory's whims, but no offence doesn't your comment above as well as my comment belong in the Dean Forester Unappreciation or Appreciation thread?

My unpopular opinion was that when Rory isn't good in a relationship, she doesn't communicate well with the guy she is with and if he isn't strong enough to deal with that, get away from her or have a genunine support system around him, she intentially or otherwise tears him apart.

She thinks it is all about her and then pouts and goes passive agressive when she doesn't get what she wants - and I'm not just talking about Dean - Jess never called, but instead of out and out confronting him, she moaned to her mom who yelled at Jess, left an answering machine message before she got swept up in a grand romantic gesture and then seemed to berate herself for becoming a wimp in the relationship.  She didn't get why he didn't like the idea of her and Dean being friends, even though she knew what Dean felt when she and Jess were just friends.  She didn't seem to notice that Jess was slowly self imploding before being kicked out of school - but he got out and matured.  Logan and the bridesmaids when they were on a break, she 'forgave him' and then went in a huff and ran all the way to see Jess with what seemed to me the plan to cheat on Logan just to get him back - but he had the LDB around him which he could turn to.   Dean and Marty -  didn't seem to have that same luck.

I'm not saying she is a bad person, she is just bad at relationships. 


As for the Luke thing - You say he cared about Rory more than anyone with the exception of 'maybe' Lorelai and later April?  Doesn't that sound a little creepy to you especially when the man didn't realise he was in love with Lorelai until season 4?  But it didn't seem concern for Lorelai that caused him to warn Jesse away from Rory, hence the part of me that thinks that it is a little creepy.

I'm not saying you are wrong about Season 5 Dean not being right for Rory but it was the way Luke said it I was talking about 'she deserves a prince' coming from a man who although known her for most of her life has only just started dating her mother, and can you tell me exactly what exactly did season 1 Dean do to Luke (apart from splitting up with Rory) to warrant a grown man attacking a minor?  But hey this is unpopular opinions and we can disagree Wink
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« Reply #446 on: October 25, 2008, 05:00:03 pm »

Goodness you people can type  Wink
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« Reply #447 on: October 26, 2008, 12:38:15 am »

Well i don't know about anyone else but it is because I have no life and I had a sadistic information studies teacher at school who made us learn to type like we were something like a typing pool from the 1950's.   Wink
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« Reply #448 on: October 26, 2008, 05:50:15 pm »

HAHA well then!
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« Reply #449 on: March 07, 2010, 04:22:53 pm »

This is only a semi unpopular opinion since I've seen a couple posts here that seem to agree with me. I really liked Marty and saw a lot of potential for him to be a good match for Rory. I liked how the few times we saw him in season 4, he wasn't smitten with Rory and wished the show had let them develop a friendship like Luke and Lorelai that eventually blossomed into romance.

Instead, the show made him have some puppy love crush on her. What was the point of that when it didn't go anywhere? It didn't even create any conflict - it's not like Rory had feelings for both the nice guy and the dangerous guy and was struggling to pick one. All it did was make Marty look like a dope and Rory look like a jerk. I don't know the timeline for when Wayne Wilcox knew he was going to be moving on to another gig and leaving the show (for the most part), but if they couldn't have him around for Marty to become Rory's love interest, then they shouldn't have brought up the crush at all. And don't even get me started on Pod!Marty of season 7.

Since I was so dissatisfied with how the show handled Marty, I decided to rewrite history and wrote my own fanfic of how Rory and Marty's story could have gone. I posted about it here in the FanFiction thread.
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