Unpopular Opinions Thread

[uncledub]

And I think that Rory sees Richard as more of a father figure than Luke (despite the fact that he wasn't around much when she was little).

goddamn yes, truer words have never been spoken, when i watch santa's secret stuff now, i just skip the scene with lorelei,rory,april&luke in the store, because all those facial expressions being thrown back & forth with luke & lorelei are just fake, and i also skip the letter scene in "To Whom It May Concern" because it's all a bunch of crock, it's the crock that got to where i point that i like, because i like april and want to see more of her but ye.

[ella]

I HAD THIS IN A REGULAR THREAD but figured it had to go here... so i moved it before i posted it, THUS the incongruentness.

You know the show on Martha's Vineyard where Luke was a total TURD the entire time?     Yes, things were "bothering" him (he already knew about April, right? no?  I forget....) Anyhoo, he was SOO combative and negative and - well, he IS a negative guy.    Some people on this forum are so into the whole L/L thing - "meant for each other" - as i have said here or in some other thread.  But after that show, i was SO SICK of the whole Luke thing, frankly, which was the goal, i suppose.

I mean, sure, he had issues, but you know, being mature is about being nice even though you have issues. The way he whined, after ALL of Lorelai's attempts to make him feel better, and the WONDERFUL gesture of the weekend getaway.  I think i would have just left him there. Women unfortunately sometimes over-romanticize a man - see him as "perfect" and all, and then he gets away with murder.  Not sure how true this is for men - a man would have to weigh in on that one.

If we LOOK at Luke, we see he is not the whole package - he is cranky and set in his ways, weak at times, (btw - i read some posts, and am now not sure who said what to whom here, i am just speaking from my own heart at this time) he has a kid with issues attached, he is divorced like everyone else, he is overly opinionated, sticks his nose in where it does not belong, he has proven he can be deceitful and lose his temper.

Speaking purely for myself, i would not be so head-over-heals for a man who makes me feel bad, brings the mood down, forgets my Valentines' Day gift and then tells a few LIES about the one he took off Logan (face it, he just sat there and LIED his ass off) does not have basic trust for mankind (or womankind).  I was married to a liar who had many issues - and sure, at one time i thought he was so great, and i loved him, blah blah.  Well, in the bright light, he didn't look all that good.  He was just a flawed person - and not a very good one at that.  I mean, he cheated - so - game over.

If Luke has been SOO IN LOVE with Lorelai all this time, why did he marry someone, and get so jealous over HER little affair, and why did he NEVER SPEAK UP - that's not very courageous. Ditto for L and Max.  Sorry, but i see many flaws with Luke, (and Lor) and guess what - love is just PART of the package - the love part is the verb - you "love" someone, but there are lots of nouns and adjectives too such as:  Temper, unyielding, slow to act and indecisive, proud, egocentric - parented a kid long ago, dishonest.  Oh, gee, that could be BOTH people.   You have to LIVE with all of these things, you know?  It's a lot easier to "love" someone from afar or on certain terms - marriage is - different.

This is HOLLYWOOD where it can't be a show without lying and cheating and all sorts of other foul things.

Some people make true love look easy - and it IS easy for them - these are those amazing couples who are true soulmates and there is no question about that, and they could never lie or cheat - it's not even conceivable.  These people have TRUE love stories. As i have said earlier, i now no longer see the Luke and Lorelai story as a true, airtight Love Story . No, not a Hollywood love story, i mean a real life love story.  In real life, you don't need an illegitimate kid to surface, or a couple of weird marriages, or bad inlaws or bad personality traits to "overcome" to prove your Perfect Love Story - but of course the MEDIA loves this - the media has decided that the couple that just gets married, stays happy and harmonious, faithful and in love - is too "boring" to be a "real love story"    - that is kind of stupid, if you ask me - those 'BORING stories are the REAL love stories!  But the culture is so brain-washed...  We think you have to throw yourself down a mountain to prove real love or whatever.

Ok, i am done rambling.... 

I think I've agreed with this opinion before on episode discussion threads, but I do think it belongs here because it seems to be an unpopular opinion.

I totally fail to understand why Luke and Lorelai are supposed to have this tremendously wonderful love story.  At this point, that is.  Maybe when they got engaged, although even then they had a lot of issues (Luke with Nicole, pining away for years without saying anything, breaking up over Chris-issues).  But I have to kind of roll my eyes when I read people saying that Luke and Lorelai have this profound, deep love that can overcome anything and the more they hurt each other and the longer they spend apart, the stronger their love will ultimately be because it will show the power of forgiveness, etc.  I have tons of examples around me of people with good love stories who never hurt each other like Luke and Lorelai.   

It seems to me that no one on this show has much of a clue about love.  They really really want someone to love, and they're considerate and caring for a while, but then they get greedy and so badly want their partner to be perfect (or start to pursue other things they want even if it's at the expense of their girlfriend/boyfriend) that they end up hurting the person they claim to love so much.  I don't see how that's love.

And I think the more a show approaches relationships this way, the more it cultivates really unhealthy attitudes, especially in the more over-invested shippers.  I'm not saying this happens here so much, which is why I feel free to state it, but I've seen other Gilmore Girls forums where the Luke and Lorelai shippers would basically stop at nothing to get Luke and Lorelai back together again.  I mean they would probably condone cheating, lying, stealing and even murder on the show to get their couple back together.  And of course those things have nothing to do with love, totally the opposite; it's all about greed. 

The other odd thing is that people say that Luke and Lorelai "deserve" to finally have happiness together after all they've been through.  And that they as fans "deserve" to get scenes of a happy Luke and Lorelai because of all they've endured.  (I've never understood that, as what they've endured seems to have been: wilfully choosing to watch Gilmore Girls every Tuesday night, even though it apparently causes them unbearable anguish that Luke and Lorelai are apart and Lorelai is with Chris.  Which is self-inflicted pain, if you ask me.)  Maybe TV just does that.  It seems to be all about self-gratification, and what I find really ironic is that the people who want Luke and Lorelai together the most, tend to be the people who go on about how Luke is so moral and perfect and unselfish, that they really want a man like him (or second best, they desperately want to see Lorelai with him) and then they pat themselves on the back because they must be really upstanding people if they want such an upstanding man as Luke.

I'm not saying that wanting Luke and Lorelai together is a bad thing.  What I hate is when people want them together without caring what takes place in the storyline to get them there.  I very much disagree with the idea that as long as you are with that perfect person, he will never hurt you and he'll always care for you and your love will be perfect.  Because Luke is "that perfect man" to many people, they think that as long as Lorelai is with him, her life will feel perfect.  In my opinion, the true test of love is in living with someone when they're not acting perfect and making you feel wonderful.

Not sure how unpopular this opinion is but I wanted to post it, and not get argued with, and I love that I have a place to do it.

I think Rory and Logan's relationship is more interesting than Luke and Lorelai. I also would have rather seen more of Mitchum in "Gilmore Girls Only" than Mia (I know it didn't really fit with what the episode was about but I find Mitchum, despite his jerkiness, to be one of the more interesting additions to the show.

And I think that Rory sees Richard as more of a father figure than Luke (despite the fact that he wasn't around much when she was little).

I also like Emily's character and I find her the most interesting character on the show. She's got layers and I always find the characters with layers more interesting.

I also think Richard is perhaps the best father figure Rory has on the show.  When she was little I really don't think she had a father figure of any kind.  While Luke cared about her, she doesn't seem to view him as anything close to a father figure considering they haven't really been in contact since Luke and Lorelai broke up.

Emily is an interesting character to me as well, because of her complexity.

[urbanmonkey]

More unpopular opinions:

~I put 75-80% of the blame on Lorelai for the breakup of her and Luke.  If she'dve spoken up and not issued Luke an ultimatum when she knew full well that he didn't handle them well at all, nothing would have happened.  I do blame Luke as well for shutting her out and not letting her in, but Lorelai should have called him on it.

~No matter what Logan does, I think he's a jerk and I think he's a total flake and I'm hoping so much that they break up.  I'm sick of Rory taking him back all the time when he treats her worse than Dean or Jess ever did.

~If I had it my way, Rory would end up with Jess.  However, since Milo has said he isn't coming back, I wouldn't mind seeing Rory get together with Marty, and if that won't work, I would prefer to have her single when she show ends.

[zeddie]

hey urbanmonkey - i like that Luke pic.  It reminds me of the Red House where i grew up - what is that picture, if i may ask?

Thanks.

Unpop.  I did not like Jess.  Yeah, he was the cool bad boy.  I get that.  I dated those guys.  They sucked, in the end.

I did not like how Jess played MIND GAMES with Rory all the time. Too High School, which negated his entire "cool act" - his whole On the Road performance.   That scene outside the restaurant (where Logan challenged him) - Jess didn't handle himself with much dignity, not to me.  He stormed off, let Logan "get to him" then ripped into Rory.  Childish. He is just a child in a James Dean hairdo (if men have hairdos) who is so "angry" - yeah, it's been done before.  He is playing an archetype.

Well, it is true that the other post made me think of this.  I probably just broke my own "rule" of not answering another post.  I am sorry for that.  But, when i think of Jess, it strikes a nerve.  In my 50's i can look back and remember how utterly STUPID i was to fall for guys like Jess - with really nasty backgrounds who may never recover from horrible childhoods (not the boys fault, no, but i don't think a girl can do much to help a boy until he helps himself - not at that age).  Well, that is my opinion of those types of guys, victims though they may be. At some point, you must decide to be your own person. I respect another poster wanting Jess and Rory together.  I personaly would not wish that.

And i still think Rory would be ok with Logan IF - IF those darn writers would start writing REAL characters instead of characters that make you say,  huh?

Because, i mean, who are these odd people?    Well, if i have overstepped my bounds, urbanmonkey, please tell me, i will gladly delete this - for i do not want this to come off as a debate.

Lately, i am tiring of Logan again - things were good, but i did not buy the whole - "I blew my trust fund, daddy is pissed, so i quit him" - Sorry, i don't buy it. The guy is apparently is SERIOUS TROUBLE - i question whether he would pick THAT MOMENT to cut ties with maybe the only person who can save him.  I did not buy that  to be honest. Bad writing.

That Gilmore Girls Only episode just pushed me farther away from the show, actually. I watch because i can't NOT watch. But - it is like i am watching aliens in the bodies of these characters, and i don't mean HEP. 

[urbanmonkey]

zeddie~ Thanks!  I like that pic too.  And honestly, I don't remember where I got it, but I just found it on google:



Unpopular:

~I thought Dean was fine until Jess came along.  Then he got so flippin' possessive and he drove me nuts.

~I think Miss Patty cracks one too many sex jokes for my own liking.  I love Miss Patty, but I think she's way too into the sex thing.

[zeddie]

urbanmonkey - thank you for being a good sport and allowing me to express my ill- feelings about Jess.  wow, i so went for these guys at one time.  Most of them still owe me money!

[urbanmonkey]

Zeddie-Hey, it's not a problem.  I don't mind if people say they hate Jess.  I like him a lot, but that's just my own opinion.  If you don't, that's okay with me.  I might think you're a little loony  but I think that anyone who disagrees with me is a little loony.  haha!  Just kidding.  You're ragging on Jess would be akin to my ragging on Chris.  I personally think he's the worst character on Gilmore Girls, and that he and Lorelai don't go together AT ALL, but I know of a few people that like him, so I'll respect your opinions.  Savvy? (Name that movie! )

[LovesToRead]

Here's a fairly unpopular opinion...

I liked the Jess character but I was not a fan of his relationship with Rory.  I thought the most interesting Jess scenes were the ones involving Luke.

[Gilmore_Luver_08]

all my unpopular opionions here:

Dean was a great FIRST boyfriend, and it ended up being to long in the first place.Bringing him back in Season 5 was freaking stupid.

I hate christopher, he never was there and always made a big drama thing in the Girl's lifes.

I don't get it why people blaimed April for Luke and Lor splitting. They split b/c Luke couldn't handle it right. The girl had nothing to do with it,people!

[murfinator]

More unpopular opinions:

~I put 75-80% of the blame on Lorelai for the breakup of her and Luke. If she'dve spoken up and not issued Luke an ultimatum when she knew full well that he didn't handle them well at all, nothing would have happened. I do blame Luke as well for shutting her out and not letting her in, but Lorelai should have called him on it.

i agree. He didn't even know that she was at all upset or feeling left out and she suddenly dumped this huge ultimatum on him! not to mention the fact that she didn't give him time to think she just went straight to Chris and slept with him! And then after their little altercation in the street and then at the shops he apologised for being horrible! who can blame the guy!!

[zeddie]

Zeddie-Hey, it's not a problem.  I don't mind if people say they hate Jess.  I like him a lot, but that's just my own opinion.  If you don't, that's okay with me.  I might think you're a little loony  but I think that anyone who disagrees with me is a little loony.  haha!  Just kidding.  You're ragging on Jess would be akin to my ragging on Chris.  I personally think he's the worst character on Gilmore Girls, and that he and Lorelai don't go together AT ALL, but I know of a few people that like him, so I'll respect your opinions.  Savvy? (Name that movie! )

SAVVY? - WOW - YEAH, it rang a bell IMMEDIATELY and i even snickered - then in typical SENILE fashion, i was unable to name it.... but i believe i OWN it.

Wow. I think it is - AHAH  yeah, JOHNNY DEPP - Pirates of the Caribbean.  RIGHT?  NO wonder i snickered with such recognition, I LOVE JOHNNY DEPP and have a major gramma crush on him, except he is over 40 now, so, i could HIT ON HIM.  hahahahaha.  (Oh, i did NOT run get themovie, it came to me just that fast as i typed, so my brain IS STILL FIRING on the remaining 3 cells! YES!

I have been in love with Johnny Depp since the first eppy of 21 Jump Street.  You know that show?

I also love Benjamin McKenzie, he is my latest "too young fantasy" - well, no, there are plenty more.  I am a dirty old lady.  But hey, a man can do it....

RE JESS.  As a character, Jess is very interesting, i think.  He adds drama, humor and all of that.  He has some serious hair.  But - i understand that Rory dated him, right?  Well, i saw some web blurb that he raised his voice to her now and again, and sorry, i cannot abide that. Men do not do that to me, because they know i will haul off and flatten them like a pancake. So, i do not know the feeling of being hollared at.  It must suck tho. 

HEY - can anyone guide me to the best place to find out about this?  Is there such a gossip thread HERE? or - what?  THANKS, i would appreciate it, cuz i am curoius who everyone is dating....  SAVVY?    arrrr, matie!

[urbanmonkey]

Zeddie-Hey, it's not a problem.  I don't mind if people say they hate Jess.  I like him a lot, but that's just my own opinion.  If you don't, that's okay with me.  I might think you're a little loony  but I think that anyone who disagrees with me is a little loony.  haha!  Just kidding.  You're ragging on Jess would be akin to my ragging on Chris.  I personally think he's the worst character on Gilmore Girls, and that he and Lorelai don't go together AT ALL, but I know of a few people that like him, so I'll respect your opinions.  Savvy? (Name that movie! )

SAVVY? - WOW - YEAH, it rang a bell IMMEDIATELY and i even snickered - then in typical SENILE fashion, i was unable to name it.... but i believe i OWN it.

Wow. I think it is - AHAH  yeah, JOHNNY DEPP - Pirates of the Caribbean.  RIGHT?  NO wonder i snickered with such recognition, I LOVE JOHNNY DEPP and have a major gramma crush on him, except he is over 40 now, so, i could HIT ON HIM.  hahahahaha.  (Oh, i did NOT run get themovie, it came to me just that fast as i typed, so my brain IS STILL FIRING on the remaining 3 cells! YES!

I have been in love with Johnny Depp since the first eppy of 21 Jump Street.  You know that show?

Good job!  I just finished watching Pirates for like, the millionth time the other day and I just...ah...Johnny.  I've heard of 21 Jump street, but never actually seen it.  I had no idea who Johnny Depp even was til Pirates.  Sad huh?  Then I fell in love with him, and since have watched him in classics such as Benny and Joon, Chocolat, Edward Scissorhands and others.  He's a beautiful beautiful man...sigh...

RE JESS.  As a character, Jess is very interesting, i think.  He adds drama, humor and all of that.  He has some serious hair.  But - i understand that Rory dated him, right?  Well, i saw some web blurb that he raised his voice to her now and again, and sorry, i cannot abide that. Men do not do that to me, because they know i will haul off and flatten them like a pancake. So, i do not know the feeling of being hollared at.  It must suck tho. 

When you say he raised his voice to her, are you talking Milo to Alexis (cause they were dating in real life) or are you talking Jess to Rory?  Sorry, I'm a little confused. 

Other unpopular opinions:

~I like Digger, for the most part.  At the beginning he was hilarious, but when he said he was going to sue Richard, that's when I lost vast amounts of respect I had for him.  However, he still ranks second to last in order of preference in Lorelai's boyfriends. 

~I like Dave Rosenthal.  I think his writing is great, and he's done a great job with this season, especially how last season was left.

~I'm actually glad that Chris and Lorelai got married.  I'm going to get a lot of flack from the Java Junkies for this, but hear me out...

In Farewell My Pet Lorelai told Chris that he's been a "wonderful possibility" for her all her life.  I think that had Dave R only kept the Lorelai/Chris stuff to a serious relationship, I still think Lorelai would have always had this thought in the back of her mind, even after she married Luke that said "What if Chris is really the one I'm supposed to be married to, and not Luke?"  But now that they've been married, Lorelai knows it's not right for her to be married to him. It was the only way, at least the way I see it, to eliminate Chris as a potential soulmate to Lorelai.

~I like the changes in Luke that April has brought about.  He's changed for the better in a lot of aspects, and to be honest, I like it!

~

[trickyiu]

~I'm actually glad that Chris and Lorelai got married.  I'm going to get a lot of flack from the Java Junkies for this, but hear me out...

In Farewell My Pet Lorelai told Chris that he's been a "wonderful possibility" for her all her life.  I think that had Dave R only kept the Lorelai/Chris stuff to a serious relationship, I still think Lorelai would have always had this thought in the back of her mind, even after she married Luke that said "What if Chris is really the one I'm supposed to be married to, and not Luke?"  But now that they've been married, Lorelai knows it's not right for her to be married to him. It was the only way, at least the way I see it, to eliminate Chris as a potential soulmate to Lorelai.

You would never get flack from me for saying this.    I am also glad that they got married.  It helped Lorelai finally realized what she wants.  My heart will rest knowing the only thing coming between Lorelai and Luke is themselves.

[zeddie]

Zeddie-Hey, it's not a problem.  I don't mind if people say they hate Jess.  I like him a lot, but that's just my own opinion.  If you don't, that's okay with me.  I might think you're a little loony  but I think that anyone who disagrees with me is a little loony.  haha!  Just kidding.  You're ragging on Jess would be akin to my ragging on Chris.  I personally think he's the worst character on Gilmore Girls, and that he and Lorelai don't go together AT ALL, but I know of a few people that like him, so I'll respect your opinions.  Savvy? (Name that movie! )

SAVVY? - WOW - YEAH, it rang a bell IMMEDIATELY and i even snickered - then in typical SENILE fashion, i was unable to name it.... but i believe i OWN it.

Wow. I think it is - AHAH  yeah, JOHNNY DEPP - Pirates of the Caribbean.  RIGHT?  NO wonder i snickered with such recognition, I LOVE JOHNNY DEPP and have a major gramma crush on him, except he is over 40 now, so, i could HIT ON HIM.  hahahahaha.  (Oh, i did NOT run get themovie, it came to me just that fast as i typed, so my brain IS STILL FIRING on the remaining 3 cells! YES!

I have been in love with Johnny Depp since the first eppy of 21 Jump Street.  You know that show?

Good job!  I just finished watching Pirates for like, the millionth time the other day and I just...ah...Johnny.  I've heard of 21 Jump street, but never actually seen it.  I had no idea who Johnny Depp even was til Pirates.  Sad huh?  Then I fell in love with him, and since have watched him in classics such as Benny and Joon, Chocolat, Edward Scissorhands and others.  He's a beautiful beautiful man...sigh...

RE JESS.  As a character, Jess is very interesting, i think.  He adds drama, humor and all of that.  He has some serious hair.  But - i understand that Rory dated him, right?  Well, i saw some web blurb that he raised his voice to her now and again, and sorry, i cannot abide that. Men do not do that to me, because they know i will haul off and flatten them like a pancake. So, i do not know the feeling of being hollared at.  It must suck tho. 

When you say he raised his voice to her, are you talking Milo to Alexis (cause they were dating in real life) or are you talking Jess to Rory?  Sorry, I'm a little confused. 

Other unpopular opinions:

~I like Digger, for the most part.  At the beginning he was hilarious, but when he said he was going to sue Richard, that's when I lost vast amounts of respect I had for him.  However, he still ranks second to last in order of preference in Lorelai's boyfriends. 

~I like Dave Rosenthal.  I think his writing is great, and he's done a great job with this season, especially how last season was left.

~I'm actually glad that Chris and Lorelai got married.  I'm going to get a lot of flack from the Java Junkies for this, but hear me out...

In Farewell My Pet Lorelai told Chris that he's been a "wonderful possibility" for her all her life.  I think that had Dave R only kept the Lorelai/Chris stuff to a serious relationship, I still think Lorelai would have always had this thought in the back of her mind, even after she married Luke that said "What if Chris is really the one I'm supposed to be married to, and not Luke?"  But now that they've been married, Lorelai knows it's not right for her to be married to him. It was the only way, at least the way I see it, to eliminate Chris as a potential soulmate to Lorelai.

~I like the changes in Luke that April has brought about.  He's changed for the better in a lot of aspects, and to be honest, I like it!

~

This will be some GINOROUS post, but - i am too feable this morning, sitting in full REDRUM.... 

JOHNNY DEPP  - OMG you must find 21 JUMP STREET.  If it is on DVD i will get it one day.  He is SO HOT with a cool pressence. I mean, my sister and i watched the FIRST SHOW and we were on the phone - "Wow - that dark haired guy!" We quickly made note of his name.  All he had to do was stand there.  He was of course planned to be the "break-out star" as they say in Hollywood.  I loved that show! - you must try to see it somehow as a Deppie.

I have seen MOST of Depp's movies, maybe one or two not.  I have hmm... Pirates, Sleepy Hollow, Don Juan (excellent! - he does this accent) Chocolat, Once Upon a Time in Mexico, and i am probably forgetting.... I loved Sizzorhands (sp?) Ed Wood - whoa.  Also this very strange one he did as a GUNSLINGER i think - low budget.  Ok, well, this is NOT the Johnny Depp Forum, sorry - but he is SO GOOD.  OH - OH - What's Eating Gilbert Grape. KIDS - if you have not seen Gilbert Grape, do so - excellent Johnny Depp AND Leonardo De Caprio is FANTASTIC in that movie (Leo is currently fantastic, but for a while i felt it was hit and miss) Do see THE DEPARTED - wow.

OK, way off topic... But i am UNPOPULAR so WHO CARES! 

[Dani257]

Still off topic, but I agree that What's Eating Gilbert Grape is worth seeing, and it's my opinion (and I say this as a huge Johnny Depp fan) that Leonardo DiCaprio was by far the best thing in the movie.  And, while Johnny Depp has constantly gotten many well deserved accolades, Leo has been underrated as an actor for a long time.  I'm glad to see him getting his props.  (But, I'll have to pass on The Departed, even with him in it, and even though I happen to think Marc Walhberg is a handsome guy - from what I heard, it would be too violent for my delicate self  ).

Okay, lets see if I can shoot for a topical comment.  I do have an opinion on Jason that I think is unpopular, but it happens to be in direct contrast with an opinion posted here, so I don't know if you'd buy that it's really meant as an unpopular opinion and not just disagreeing with anyone.  So, I'll post a different unpopular Jason opinion.  It never once bothered me that Jason had Lorelai sleep in another room when she spent the night.  He was attentive and gracious to her while she was awake, both at night and the next morning.  And, he took pains to make her as comfortable as possible for the time that she would be asleep.  And, well, she would be asleep.  It's not like it really made that much of a difference if he was next to her or not during that time.  But, it very much makes a difference to someone who has to be wide awake when they need to sleep.