Unpopular Opinions Thread

[uncledub]

i really like how dean evolved in season 5, and dean was really right when he broke the news to luke on how him & lorelei just wasn't going to happen.

I liked max, i found it easy picturing max to work out in the gilmore household, but scott & lauren's chemistry was lacking

I really liked Jason, and actually, i was gutted when all that drama unfolded with lorelei's reluctancy to not tell richard & emily in season 5 because Lorelei & jason could have really worked, but as a relationship thing only, i found it hard picturing jason as the family man.

and also this may be really out of line, but no offense people but some of the l/l shippers on this forum are worse than trekkies with their obsession

[zeddie]

Hi all.

UNPOPULAR STATEMENTS...
As a person posting unpopular opinions quite a bit, i understood this to be a place where i could dump and run - that no one was going to openly state "i disagree" or list a bunch of counterpoints after my entry. - i am wondering if others are thinking the same thing about their own posts?

Have we possibly allowed this thread to degenerate into a "no holds barred unpopular opinioln rumble"?  Or could it get to that point?  Because now, not only do we have the most UNVARNISHED statements of - well, i was going to say blaspheme, but i cannot say that in jest - it is too sacred of an idea for me.  What shall i say?  We bash more here - so if we are going to lift the restriction on "don't talk back to posts" - wow, this could get very extremely horrifically ugly. 

I wish it would go back to the kinder gentler VENTING MAT. Where you could say something real unpopular, and the only responders were those who agreed and that those who wanted to punch you out just bit down hard on their fists.

I am NOT saying anyone has been terribly mean to me - no no, i am saying, it has potential to be - narsty. 

So, since i am voicing this - who else is sort of iritated about this?  Does anyone else have an idea on what to do?

OR, are we just going to disregard Dani's opening remarks   Is this some sort of self-reflexive clusterfunk?

I WILL LOOK NOW to see if the rules changed when i was not looking, that is quite possible. But i hope not.  I hope it goes back to Dani257's original vision.  Thank you for this space to voice my opinion.  Peace.

I keep waffling on where this should go, but I'm going to put it here and if the mods decide it works better as a game, I'm fine with them moving it (and advanced apologies for any inconvienance).  It just didn't seem to fit the other threads in that section.

Anyway, I'm going to paste what I wrote on another board when I started something similar there, so people can get the idea and the spirit of the thing.

You know how sometimes you have an opinion that seems to be very unpopular around the board? You're either the only one who feels that way, or in a very small minority? Well, this is the place to air those opinions. Just let loose.

This is absolutely NOT the place to: attack anyone for any opinion about the show. Or to say or imply that they're wrong for their opinions in any way. It's opinions about Gilmore Girls -including characters, ships, seasons, the writing, and yeah, throw in the Aerie Girls, too. This is also not a place to get bogged down in discussion and debate. I'm not sure that will work. Discussing is fun, but can sometimes go sour, and this is just a place to wave your hand and admit to having an opinion that most people don't share. Without recrimination. If you come here, expect someone to have an opinion that is the complete opposite and also maybe something you vehemenately disagree with. Opinions you hate. That's why it's unpopular opinions. Just accept it. Silently. And, I've found with threads like this is that soon you find that more people agree with you than you thought. It usually just takes one person to come and say it out loud and then other people follow. I'll add if people want to explain their opinions (like why they love a character everyone hates) that's okay, but they don't have to.   Hopefully that all made sense.  Remember, if you think your opinion is an unpopular one it belongs here. Sometimes people might have completely opposite opinions and honestly believe both are unpopular.  Just as long as you don't post in retaliation. (and you might have to be brave posting here, because if you post something people hate, they may just take it out on you by snarking you)

OK, i know this could be up for interpretation - BUT i really loved how the thread started out.  You could just POST and forget it, not worry what someone said directly back to you.  And you could read great stuff and just silently smile - with no pressure to give your own opinion on it.

I loved this thread in its PUREST form.  Ok, that is MY ONE OPINION here.  And since it is keyed into the UNPOPULAR OPINION THREAD, i hope i don't get jumped on for being a "CENSOR" or something.... Hmmm... This is complicated....  a CATCH 22 if you will. 

ADDITION:  Sometimes, you just want to vent - or even put out a feeler to see if you can find a "friend" or kindred spirit in the threads,   instead of sitting home wondering, "is it just me?"    So you post something unpopular.  You may have NO ENERGY to then engage in a back and forth debate.  But - if someone challenges your opinion, naturaly it is human nature to speak back to them - our egos may dictate that we try to have the last word, or at least explain ourselves so we don't look stupid. Nevermind that we don't even know each other personally - we start to feel like that. So, we are open to all of the emotions - hurt, anger, pain, love, humor (guess that's not an emotion) - We have this little community, and it's like having a "safe room" - this thread.

At the big grotesquely male dominated Fortune 500 Meatgrinder where i spend many many years, they finally introduced us to this Hats Approach. I forget the real name.  You had hats - or hat representatives of some sort.  White was agreement, Yellow was - something or other. Seven Hats - something or other, that was it.  Anyhoo, the RED HAT was for voicing an unpopular opinion and being emotional, and when you wore your red hat in the megameeting, you got the floor, and could say anything and suposedly suffer no consequences, and not end up dying ON the floor. (yeah right) - I mean, we are better than some dorky Fortune 500 Ballcrusher, right? (i am talking of course of recycling golfballs to manufacture small cars made of rubber).

Well..............   that's my point.  I do not want to debate all the time - in fact, i am liking playing with Man Camp now better than talking about Lorelai - this season. Call it BURN OUT.  This was a burnout free zone.   Was.  That's my opinion.  I am just "getting a whiff of bowel" as they say in the OR. 

[Dani257]

I haven't posted here that much, despite starting the thread, because some people seemed to find it very restrictive to have a thread where debates weren't really the point.  Actually, I find people have that problem in a lot of threads.  If it were possible to control things to simply a quick disagreement and move on, that would be one thing.  But, I don't think anyone is capable of that.  I know I can't.  We tend to get passionate about our opinions and try to back them up, and then the other side puts in their evidence and it becomes a free for all.  Since this isn't a debate thread, and a middle ground isn't possible, the other extreme of not saying anything to an opinion you disagree with seemed to be the best option.  But, even if it were possible to have quick free to disagree posts that didn't bog down the thread, it's not really in the spirit that it was intended.  Someone saying they don't like Luke and all the reasons they don't is pretty unpopular on this board. (I'd wager to say frighteningly unpopular)  So, that opinion fits here.  While it may make people upset to see anything negative about Luke and they want to rush in and defend him, saying you like Luke isn't an unpopular opinion at all, so it's really off topic here.  I know people will likely say I'm saying that because I hate Luke.  Really, I can't work up that much emotion towards him.  Not directly because of him, anyway. So, lets take an opinion of mine that is popular that doesn't fit in this thread. Heck, lets make it one with Luke.  I don't think the fact that he runs a diner and comes from a likely middle class background makes him an unfit match for Lorelai, who was born rich.  I don't think it makes Luke any less worthy of anyone because of his financial state or family origins.  I think most people would agree, which makes that a popular opinion and off topic for this thread.  I will, and have argued with people who have implied that in other threads, which were made for discussing opposing viewpoints.  But, not here.  I only posted it here as an example that doesn't fit, because I don't think it's unpopular.

Now, if someone honestly read the boards and felt they saw an overwhelming amount of Luke dislike, and they felt that they were in the minority by liking him, then saying you like him or pointing out his good qualities that most people miss would be perfect for this thread.  It's not for posting opinions in retaliation of other opinions.  It's posting opinions that you truly believe is a minority one.  Remember, there are multiple threads to go a few rounds in, so not debating in this thread (and certain other ones) really shouldn't leave anyone hurting for a good debate on this board.  Trust me, I thrive on debate, so I wouldn't want to eliminate all avenues of it.

And, now that I've posted that, lets see if I can actually put something on topic here. I've hashed out so many opinions it's hard to remember what I've said before or haven't.  Well, I'll use the one I posted in the spoiler thread (don't worry, no spoilers forthcoming).  I'm sick of Rory beating Paris at everything.  I'm pushing for Paris to either graduate as valedictorian, if they have that at Yale, or to graduate with highest honors.  I want Paris to get something that Rory would conceivably be in the running for, that Rory doesn't get.  Paris being accepted to John Hopkins Medical School or something like that wouldn't satisfy this particular desire (although, you go, Paris! if she does) because Rory has never wanted to go to medical school.  It has to be specifically something that Rory would be in the running for.  This show has drummed in the idea that Rory is better than Paris.  And, when the show started out, Paris was a formidable opponent and I feel she's lost that.  And, I want a taste of it back.  Plus, I root for the underdog.

[zeddie]

OFF TOPIC.

I will break ranks just now to say thank you to Dani257 for her eloquent editorial on the nature of posting, debating, and having a "safe haven".  I would like to add this... I do believe in the purity of this thread - sans debates.

The beauty of this Unpopular Opinions Thread is that the person who cannot abide comments against Luke, for example, can just not come here.  It is almost "fair warning". After all, if you are a stauch Red Neck, you don't have to read the New York Times.   I also agree that there are ample places for spirited debates, and this forum can easily support a thread where point- counterpoint is respectfully not permitted.  This is not going to lead to any censorship. If you start reading something you don't like - just stop reading it.  You have the power.

IMO - The point is NOT to inflame others, rather the point is to find a safe forum for your beliefs, to flush out sympathetic people who agree, and to be free without fear of endless debate.  It is NOT "let's bash Luke and (insert your character name here)"  I do understand though - you read something anti-Luke for example, and you think "I just cannot leave this alone!"  Well, here is a little "old person" philosophy on that... 

Life will be full of differing opinions.  Sometimes you will be able to debate with the differing person, and sometimes you will not be able to.  Learning to be calm when you cannot speak out is valuable too. Learning to control yourself and just read something you do not agree with can empower you to do some positive action - not just write in some post.  The very fact that you are restricted can sometimes bring out greater creativity - sort of like "Necessity is the Mother of Invention."

OK, i have to post something unpopular to make this valid..... I THINK this in unpopular.

I really like Mitchem Huntzburger.  He is no worse than most high-powered men.  In another thread i said i would not mind having him for a father-in-law (from what i know NOW about this "pretend character" ) and someone said, "Yeah, if you want to be [controled] and told what to do " (paraphrased)

I will expand on that....  Business exists TO MAKE MONEY. Period. It does not exist for the Dental Plan, or for commaradrie or for helping the poor (that is a non-profit organization) .. the SOLE GOAL of business is to CREATE WEALTH FOR STAKEHOLDERS. Of course, you have to be ethical, AND being nice will get you points in many arenas.  So - Mitchem owes his time and energy to increasing stakeholder (stockholder) wealth.  If he would see Rory as a drain or a person who would not add value, he would make a decision to not hire her in his organization.  Of course, "we know" that he made a mistake, poor 2-dimensional b*stard.

Mitchem IS NOT JUST A CONTROL FREAK. No.  He controls the BUSINESS PLAN. He doesn't care that much about Logan's love life, as he said, However, he is interested in who Logan chooses to wed.   As for Mitchem only expecting people to be puppets, i don't believe that to be true.  He wants free thinkers who are also on track to increase stakeholder wealth.  YOu can be an individual with Mitchem, as long as you are not bleeding money from the company.  What you can't do is have NO IDEA what the mission statement is of the company.

Re" Rory.  As for her turning down Mitchem on matter of principle. Oh Bourgeoise!  Get with it Rory, the world is about networking.  (Of course, NOW, she has learned this!)

Mitchem repects intelligence, drive, ambition, conviction and other things that are important for rising in business.  He is a top businessman, that is who he is.  You cannot expect him to also be a flower child or a mamby-pamby.  He is sort of one- minded yes, but he is no tyrant or puppet-master.  He wants what is best for Logan, his son, whom he does love very much.  Mitchem has his own way of toughening up Logan - that is what he knows, what HIS DAD did.  In my opinion, (UNPOP OPINION) to dismiss Mitchem as some bully is short-sighted and is overlooking the complexities of running a multi-billion dollar conglomerate media enterprise, or whatever you want to call it.  I apologize if this treads on "answering another opinion" - i am sorry, but i did not know how else to express this point. 

I LIKE Mitchem - TODAY, because there is no telling what those crazy writers will make him do TOMORROW.  I may alter, add to this later, after i reread what was discussed in the other thread, where my praise of Mitchem was challenged.

Please, oh please do not make this thread go away or dillute it  into "another fine debate" thread.  Please.  I like coming here to READ and not post in return.  this may be my favorite thread. I do not at all feel compelled to respond line for line - i am fine with just digesting some really unpop opinion, so i hope i find that others are also fine with that.

I am actualy going to back off from posting serious stuff, more or less.  I prefer to write funny stuff that makes people laugh, that is a much higher and better use of my time and particular character and abilities. I guess that is why i CHOOSE the Unpop. thread. I don't want to debate, i only want to sometimes either speak for the underdog, or express my ideas that it is OK if Lorelai ends up alone - all is NOT LOST if somehow she does not marry Luke at the end of it all.  LIfe does not always turn out like what we want in Gilmore Girls. - that is all i was really trying to say...

Ok,    Thank you.

 

[JavaJunkiee]

I like this thread. Here's a few things I think:

I like TJ. He's sweet and affectionate and perfect for Liz.

I also like April and Gigi. I think they are good additions to the show.

I never liked Dean and never will.

[Sooks]

I like this thread too! I do understand how people would want to have the option to debate, but sometimes it's just nice to post your thoughts and not get anything back on them! I like being able to come here and post what I think and just let it be said! I'm always up for a good debate as long as those in the debate are playing fair and being honest...I don't like debates where someone thinks they know what they're talking about but don't have the back up for it. That said...this threadis a good one and I hope that people will continue to post!

I like April a lot and hope that she continues to be in the show's storyline.

I like Emily and Richard and was very happy to see her interaction with Lorela.

I love the Life and Death Brigade! I miss seeing that group in the show!

I don't like Sookie's kids for some reason...I love Sookie more than I can express!! But her kids just don't seem like they would be 'her' kids for some reason! I can't explain and don't know why I feel this way, but I do.

I'm sure I have more thoughts along these 'unpopular' lines but for now, this will do...

Thanks for letting me share! ~M

[Lanean]

Even though I like Jess, I have always thought Dean was the best for Rory.

They just seemed to fit.

[Gilmore_Luver_08]

I always liked April, I didn't think she was the factor of Luke and Lorelai's seperation thing,like some people. I think it was Luke's stupididy on not handeling it right.

I love Jess!

I hate Dean,but Jared Padalecki is a good actor. I dont know many people who think that Jared is a good actor,but hate Dean. I don't think its fair for me to judge him as a whole, from one role he played. (Even though I dont find him cute,or remotly good looking, some of his movies are good,and I do enjoy watching his new series-Supernatural- sometimes)

[lynnspirit]

This seems to be the right place to post since my feelings about the show have become quite negative. I began watching GG with my two daughters from the first season. As a single mom, I was excited that there was something new, smart, cutting edge about mom/daughter relationships.  But the show has gone down the rabbit hole in recent times and has become a bad version of 7th Heaven. We have the mom who through all her life experiences models to her daughter that she doesn't have a clue who she should be with or be married to. Sookie and Lane, both married to dolts have turned into baby machines--also Luke's sister. The Rory/Logan relationship has become a real bore and is exactly what you'd think her mother would be skeptical of. I don't have anything against either Christopher or Luke just that Lorelai has become a real idiot. The Luke's daughter storyline is also kind of lame. I miss Paris--the old Paris--she was an interesting character.  I also miss the old Lane.  Actually I miss the way the show used to be. It has degraded into sentimental slop and is no longer unique.  I still tune in for some reason but my daughters, now 17 and 18 do not watch because they don't see any role modeling there that they would like to emulate. I think perhaps the show should've ended when the female leads were somewhat strong independent characters instead of "desperate women seeking men".

[zeddie]

I reallly enjoy the posts here.  I am fine with all opinions on it.  Even if i like a character i like to know why another person does not like them.  I think this thread therefore has depth for the reader.

I am still not real happy with this season. I went from just LOVING the show so much, i wanted to live in Stars Hollow, to someone who watches because i cannot envision NOT watching.  It has gone down hill, IMO and even the best characters don't do it for me, like Lorelai.  Nothing that new from me, only to say, that as the season drags on, it is not bailing itself out - not for me.  I am still unhappy - it leaves me feeling flat.

I have turned to other shows.  I am sad they ruined the OC - sad it is gone.  I began to like it more than GG when it was in its prime. It had edge - and actually, better morals, for me.  I watch grey's anatomy too, and like it.  I think i have switched now to liking a few other shows more than GG and the leaders of the series did that - not me.  There is no longer anything very fresh or new in GG and the production value is just - so-so. I see no great revelations or improvements with Lauren Graham listed as Producer.  I saw some picture of her behind the camera. Big deal, it just looked stupid, like a publicity stunt TO ME.  I am soured and i know i was SO INTO THE SHOW and LOVED LAUREN and Lorelai so much.  My sister too, she'd call in  mid-show - "Isn't Lauren Graham gorgeous?" Now she has turned off too.  Rats.

Thank you.

[kamibeaR]

I'm sick of Rory beating Paris at everything.  I'm pushing for Paris to either graduate as valedictorian, if they have that at Yale, or to graduate with highest honors.  I want Paris to get something that Rory would conceivably be in the running for, that Rory doesn't get.  Paris being accepted to John Hopkins Medical School or something like that wouldn't satisfy this particular desire (although, you go, Paris! if she does) because Rory has never wanted to go to medical school.  It has to be specifically something that Rory would be in the running for.  This show has drummed in the idea that Rory is better than Paris.  And, when the show started out, Paris was a formidable opponent and I feel she's lost that.  And, I want a taste of it back.  Plus, I root for the underdog.

I agree. I don't like the fact that Rory tops over Paris. It would be nice if Paris graduated with something high.

Speaking of Rory.. I like her and all but the fact that she pretty much has always been.. spoiled? I guess, and the fact that if there's something she wants or whatever, she can get in cause of say, Emily/Richard. Know what I'm saying? That's just always bugged me.

I like TJ. He's sweet and affectionate and perfect for Liz.

I like T.J. too. Ignoring the fact about how he sometimes acts, he is a sweet guy. And the fact that he stayed with Liz and didn't bail over Doola. That scores him a lot of points from me.

[uncledub]

i like tj, i just don't like michael deluise's accent, it's annoying to an extent

[Dani257]

Up until they began a relationship, I really don't see Lorelai and Luke as being as close as others see.  Luke was one of Lorelai's friends.  But, she was always shown as being closer to Sookie in the early years.  Her best friend outside of Rory was Sookie. 

And, on another more general topic, I think Tolstoy got it wrong.  Happy families (and couples) are not all alike.  And, the tv version, happy couples are boring is total bunk.  Couples without conflict are boring because there's no story, but happy people can have conflict.  No one is happy all the time, but a couple who's baseline is happy can still have interesting stories.  I don't know how popular that is on the boards, but it seems most tv writers would disagree with me. 

[laurla205]

To add a little somethin on to that, I don't think it was important that Luke was a father figure.  There I said it and no one can argue   I get that it was important to Lorelai.  But it doesn't seem to be all that important to Rory, and she was the one on the receiving end.  It's served a purpose as far as showing why L/L should be together (or was supposed to serve that purpose anyway, IMO) and all but we don't see Rory interacting with Luke on her own.  A father figure to me, would be one that you stay in contact with no matter what happens between he and your mother (especially when it didn't end as horribly as some relationships do).  Someone you make sporadic phone calls to when you're away at college.  Or go to visit just to visit him once in a while.  But that doesn't happen.  Once Rory was out of SH and Lorelai was out of the diner Rory and Luke stopped interacting, and it's been almost a year.  I also get that the little birthday presents were meaningful to Rory but it’s obviously not enough to prompt her to stay in contact with him on her own. 

[LovesToRead]

Not sure how unpopular this opinion is but I wanted to post it, and not get argued with, and I love that I have a place to do it.

I think Rory and Logan's relationship is more interesting than Luke and Lorelai.  I also would have rather seen more of Mitchum in "Gilmore Girls Only" than Mia (I know it didn't really fit with what the episode was about but I find Mitchum, despite his jerkiness, to be one of the more interesting additions to the show.

And I think that Rory sees Richard as more of a father figure than Luke (despite the fact that he wasn't around much when she was little).

I also like Emily's character and I find her the most interesting character on the show.  She's got layers and I always find the characters with layers more interesting.