6.10 - He's Slippin' 'Em Bread... Dig?

[gilmorejackson]

I am kind of different than everyone else. I don't know why, but I have loved every single episode this season. Apparently a lot of people have because the ratings are almost doubled from this time last year. I have loved all the drama and everything. I know for a while it seemed impossible to swallow for everyone. But Gilmore Girls has never been predictable has it. I love L/L together but I don't know if it is going to last, not just because of April but also because of Christopher. I don't know but I loved this episode. Just the fact that L/R are back together. I beleive that ASP will get things straight, but I doubt it will please everybody. Sorry I hope I haven't made anyone mad that is just what I think. I am a true GG's fan and love every show.

[Liz]

Luke was a fool for not telling Lorelai, especially when she left the door wide open for him to bring it up after her confession about Christopher!  Please!!  I guess they wouldn't have much of a story to drag out if he told her this quickly... But way to go Lorelai for being honest, even if it was after the fact.  I guess in that scene we are supposed to see Luke struggling to grasp what he is supposed to be to April - we saw that when he told Liz as well.  And I liked the scene with Liz and Luke.  You could totally see her doubting his decision, but not knowing how to tell him that.  He is, afterall, her big brother and someone she looks up to.

That,  and I think that since she has made a few mistakes in her day, I don't believe she felt that she had the right to tell him that he wasn't being responsible. I agree - I think Luke would have told Lorelai 'in the real GG world' but because they need to stretch this storyline.. he didn't. *sigh* This is the only reason why I dislike television dramas.. we have to wade through 10 episodes of mud to get to the nice grassy hills on the other side. I hate dirt. Then again, grass sits on top of dirt and it actually helps it grow so perhaps patience really is a virtue. (I think I got lost in my analogy there lol)

[gilmore24]

Hi, I'm new here!  I don't want to sound negative - I love this show and will still watch it but I have to admit this whole season I've been kind of disappointed overall. I know it's a TV show but a lot of the storylines and dialogue feels forced, just to tie things up or explain things. Last night's epi had its good moments, but there were some parts that bothered me.

For example:
We saw Logan's sister what, once? Why would she be calling Rory on Thanksgiving? I found that strange, but it was used to change Rory's (and our) thinking of her and Logan just being on a break.

Christopher coming into all this money - that whole storyline is weak and too convenient for Rory. She *just* moved out of E&R's house and then the opportunity to completely cut them off just pops into her lap. I admit, I loved C&L a few seasons ago, and wanted them to get together but after that scene at the wedding where he found out his girlfriend was pregnant and he just left Lor, my love for them as a couple ended. If they are going to bring him in to cause problems since nothing in TV land can be all perfect and lovey, at least make a better storyline.

The band stuff - terrible. Every single scene with them was painful to watch. I know they wanted to lead us to Lane and Zach breaking up but Zach's actions were beyond crazy. And annoying.

The Thanksgiving dinner - others pointed this out, but where were Jackson and the kids? Where is TJ (even tho I can't stand him)? It was just a weird group with no explanation for the missing people.

Maybe I'm being too critical but I've always loved this show because it was clever and flowing. I know TV shows are TV shows and often they are unrealistic but I beleived - or at least bought into - what I saw on GG. Lately I find myself having a hard time following storylines, scenes, & dialogue without feeling uncomfortable or unsatisfied. 

[mecca]

Well, I love every episode and probably always will love every episode, assuming all the actors don't leave.  I quit Happy Days long before the shark, Fonzie becoming a teacher was enough for me.  Anyway, the sugar on the toes was great, it is great that Lorelai, known pet-killer, has a better relationship with Paul Anka than Rory does.  Also, you don't have to wash your foot after a dog licks sugar off, because it is all gone.  Although I have to admit that pouring it all over the floor seemed unrealistic.

Kirk skeet shooting - nuff said.

And while people have mentioned Sookie's glee - what about Michel?  I never even thought he liked Rory.  That was the most human Michel has been since he tried to get his dogs a room in the INn for the trial run night.

[steph_]

I must say this was a "not as good" episode as the others. No offence or anything is was a bit boring. Firstly, did Rory say that she and Logan broke up, or was it just Logans assuption? I dont remember anything about thier breakup, I heard it was just a break.
  Secondly, where did Christopher come up with all this money??? Wouldn't he be sad about his grandpa or was he trying to win Lorelai back UNTIL he saw the ring... too late sucker! Was it just an act??? Chris (ill call him that from now on), it was a nice offer but I think you shouldn't have done that. It complicates things and youre out of Lorelais life now. I'm just glad Luke was OK wit it.
  Thirdly, Luke should atleast tell Lorelai about April and that to reassure that she wont be in his life becuase she has her own, the one she knows.
  Fourthly, and lastly, might I add, the band thing... do you think Zach thought that Bryan was trying to get Lane. I think he just wanted Lane to feel nice and that they can make a song with her name, like Rebecca... Zach was alot of the time, selfish and thinking whats best for him and about the new band member, took a new band member so that they could see what he was feeling or maybe it was just an act to express his anger. This was by far not the best episode, highlight, Rory and Lorelai talking and more!

[bookfreak]

lol Well I know it is to me! 

And yes I do believe Lorelai thinks that but looking at it from the writing point of view.. Why would Amy have had Lorelai say that? And in that way.. *shrug* I dunno. Maybe I'm just a conspiracy theorist but I just thought it seemed like she (Amy) was trying to tell us something.

Actually, I thought of it more as a poke at the upcoming hiatus: "Sometimes it's good to have a break." Maybe kind of like comforting words, not to worry that there's no new episodes soon.

[lilrabbitangel14]

i wish that they wouldnt made this a 6 week haitus...maybe like 2/3 week nd then give us one episode nd then wait another 2 weeks or something. 6 weeks seem like a awfully long time.... at least we have the 5th season on DVD to look forward to. 

[kstarprincess]

Luke should tell Lorilie the truth about his kid. and quickly! 

[Erin]

Hi, I'm new here!  I don't want to sound negative - I love this show and will still watch it but I have to admit this whole season I've been kind of disappointed overall. I know it's a TV show but a lot of the storylines and dialogue feels forced, just to tie things up or explain things. Last night's epi had its good moments, but there were some parts that bothered me.

For example:
We saw Logan's sister what, once? Why would she be calling Rory on Thanksgiving? I found that strange, but it was used to change Rory's (and our) thinking of her and Logan just being on a break.

Christopher coming into all this money - that whole storyline is weak and too convenient for Rory. She *just* moved out of E&R's house and then the opportunity to completely cut them off just pops into her lap. I admit, I loved C&L a few seasons ago, and wanted them to get together but after that scene at the wedding where he found out his girlfriend was pregnant and he just left Lor, my love for them as a couple ended. If they are going to bring him in to cause problems since nothing in TV land can be all perfect and lovey, at least make a better storyline.

The band stuff - terrible. Every single scene with them was painful to watch. I know they wanted to lead us to Lane and Zach breaking up but Zach's actions were beyond crazy. And annoying.

The Thanksgiving dinner - others pointed this out, but where were Jackson and the kids? Where is TJ (even tho I can't stand him)? It was just a weird group with no explanation for the missing people.

Maybe I'm being too critical but I've always loved this show because it was clever and flowing. I know TV shows are TV shows and often they are unrealistic but I beleived - or at least bought into - what I saw on GG. Lately I find myself having a hard time following storylines, scenes, & dialogue without feeling uncomfortable or unsatisfied. 

Okay, can I just say that I am totally in agreement with everything you pointed out!  It totally bugged me that Honor just decided to call Rory on Thanksgiving.  I mean, if we'd at least seen them together once after they first met, then I could have bought it, but since we haven't it seemed completely forced.  

As for Christopher paying for Yale and that being too "easy" and convenient for Rory, when you think about it, it fits perfectly.  Everything is too easy for Rory.  Making up with Lorelai was too easy.  Getting a job was too easy.  Everyone (with the exception of Mitchum, of course) caters to her every whim and she is apparently so loveable she can even turn herself into the leader of the community service people who wanted to jump her the week before, as someone pointed out already. I'm not saying it's not annoying, but that I've just come to expect it.

[gilmore-girl]

I just saw the episode tonight and I gotta say Luke is taking the whole not telling Lorelai about April thing kinda werid. Lorelai loves him and she will understand. She isn't gunna leave Luke cause he has a daugther he didn't know about til now. She may be al little hurt that he didn't tell her right away.

As for the whole Logan and Rory thing that was werid too. I mean no one said offically "its over." I mean I know that Logan has been acting like a jerk lately but still. Its funny how Rory had to find out the way she did.

I like that Christopher has come back with money. I mean yeah let's face it the fact that he has tons now doesn't make up for the fact that he wasn't in Rorys life like he should of but I am glad he is helping Rory out with Yale. It'll be interesting once Richard and Emily find out. They'll be hurt. Then again its wrong to think that you would only have someone in your life only because they are in debt to you.

[skftex]

I really don't understand Luke not telling Lorelai about April.  I would understand if it were just that he was still trying to figure out what it means as far as his role, but even then, TELL Lorelai.  When Luke was telling Liz he said he hadn't told Lorelai because "things are going so well" which means he thinks she wouldn't take it well. She has a child with someone else too, why would he think this would ruin things? Lorelai is very sensible when it comes to things like this, the way she took charge of her own life and brought up Rory proves it.  I love Luke but this last episode he really bothered me. 

Sharon

[nikki]

This is sort of out of no where, but I missed the reference for this episode's title.  Anyone care to fill me in?  Much appreciated!

We saw Logan's sister what, once? Why would she be calling Rory on Thanksgiving? I found that strange, but it was used to change Rory's (and our) thinking of her and Logan just being on a break.

I agree.  Honor's call made it seem like they are friends outside of Rory dating Logan.  She referenced going shopping together as if that is something they've done together (just implied in my opinion).  Like Erin said, if they had showed us some of that (or even just referenced it in some way) I would have been much more comfortable with the exchange.

The Thanksgiving dinner - others pointed this out, but where were Jackson and the kids? Where is TJ (even tho I can't stand him)? It was just a weird group with no explanation for the missing people.

Oh my goodness!  Fantastic point!  I didn't even notice that significant others were missing from a fairly major holiday gathering.  What the heck?  Augh!  Good eye, gilmore24.  Maybe the writers didn't know that both Sookie and Liz are married (and one is a 2 time mommy) because they don't watch their own show

[skftex]

 

This is sort of out of no where, but I missed the reference for this episode's title. Anyone care to fill me in? Much appreciated!

I usually get the title references, but I have to admit, this one slipped right by me.  I don't have a clue what it is, so maybe someone can explain it to both of us.

We saw Logan's sister what, once? Why would she be calling Rory on Thanksgiving? I found that strange, but it was used to change Rory's (and our) thinking of her and Logan just being on a break.

I agree. Honor's call made it seem like they are friends outside of Rory dating Logan. She referenced going shopping together as if that is something they've done together (just implied in my opinion). Like Erin said, if they had showed us some of that (or even just referenced it in some way) I would have been much more comfortable with the exchange.

I also thought it was kind of odd.  When she said, this is Honor, I was thinking WHO IS HONOR? It's not like they ever established that Rory and Honor were friends, or even ever saw each other after that terrible dinner night.

The Thanksgiving dinner - others pointed this out, but where were Jackson and the kids? Where is TJ (even tho I can't stand him)? It was just a weird group with no explanation for the missing people.

Oh my goodness! Fantastic point! I didn't even notice that significant others were missing from a fairly major holiday gathering. What the heck? Augh! Good eye, gilmore24. Maybe the writers didn't know that both Sookie and Liz are married (and one is a 2 time mommy) because they don't watch their own show

I didn't notice that they were missing either. in fact didn't even think about it until I read this, though I thought the people that Liz had at the dinner were VERY odd, so maybe that is what distracted me.

Sharon

[Dani257]

I don't think Luke believes Lorelai will leave him.  I think he believes it'll be a lot for her to handle. Which, yeah.  I mean, Christopher is a lot for him to handle, even though Lorelai had Rory way before she met Luke, and she and Christopher planned to get together way before she started dating Luke.  And, although she hid the tequila night from Luke, it was an innocent thing, going to comfort an old friend.  There's no logical reason for him to have a problem with Christopher being in Lorelai's life, but it's an understandable feeling.  So, yeah, Lorelai feeling at least weird about the existence of April is also understandable.  It's another kink in the system, and they've had a lot already.  Christopher at the wedding, Emily just about everywhere, Rory leaving school (not directly related, but like he said, he was in the middle of them fighting).  This is just another issue to deal with.

Second, I think Luke has a lot to process beyond April being his daughter.  He's going to want to do right by her.  And, for him, doing right won't just be paying child support.  He'll want to be a presence in April's life.  And, for anyone worried that this means he'll leave Lorelai to marry Anna, or some other thing to break them up, I don't think that's the case.  He'll just want to see April a lot, spend time with her.  Which will mean he's probably going to have to see Anna sometimes.  Which means either Lorelai will have to see Anna, or she'll have to know that Luke is seeing Anna at certain times.  I mean, completely innocently, like chatting with her when he comes to pick up April.  Still, it would just be the existence of Anna in his life at all that might cause Lorelai to feel odd.  Which, Luke would understand.  And, it would be even worse if Luke and Anna have chemistry and a bond like I think Lorelai will always have with Christopher.

Another problem I think Luke is grappling with is the fact that neither Anna or April seem to want anything to do with him.  He's having a hard time figuring out why April seemed surprised that he might want to stay for the award ceremony, or anything.  Here's a huge event in his life, and he would assume in April's.  But, she doesn't seem to feel that way.  It makes things seem unfinished.  He wants to get that worked out in his mind.

I can understand him telling Liz.  There's no baggage with Liz.  She's got no reason to feel strange about Luke having a kid.  Luke coming in contact with his ex won't affect her.  He doesn't have to consider how Liz will feel in all of this, whereas he does with Lorelai.  So, telling Liz is his opportunity to get it out, and also to concentrate entirely on the difficulties this places on him.

So, I get the arguments that he should tell Lorelai.  They make sense.  Lorelai won't leave him because of a child he knew nothing about from a relationship before she met him.  Hiding it will only make it worse.  Very logical and reasonable, and easy for us to see because we're outside the problem.  But, being inside it makes Luke's perspective different.  He can't see it as clearly.

This is sort of out of no where, but I missed the reference for this episode's title. Anyone care to fill me in? Much appreciated!

This will be vague, because I got it from somewhere else, and don't recall all the details (helpful, ain't I ) but I think the slipping 'em bread part is from Christopher offering to buy them things.  Bread is a slang term for money.  Also, there was a mockumentary, I think about a fake band called Dig, and what happened with Lane's band happened on that, too.  That's the vague part.  Either the band was Dig, or the mockumentary was called dig, and the other band member in the episode was part of Dig.  And, that may be completely wrong.

Also, I got the impression that the Honor thing was unusual.  I mean, that it was presented as something that didn't happen every day.  Rory seemed surprised.  My own fanwank is that Honor thought Logan did something stupid, she took Rory's side, and she was just trying to do something to make up for him.  At least, to me, it didn't seem like the shopping invite was supposed to be a continuation of a regular thing for them.  So, it didn't really bother me.

[skftex]

This is sort of out of no where, but I missed the reference for this episode's title. Anyone care to fill me in? Much appreciated!

This will be vague, because I got it from somewhere else, and don't recall all the details (helpful, ain't I ) but I think the slipping 'em bread part is from Christopher offering to buy them things.  Bread is a slang term for money.  Also, there was a mockumentary, I think about a fake band called Dig, and what happened with Lane's band happened on that, too.  That's the vague part.  Either the band was Dig, or the mockumentary was called dig, and the other band member in the episode was part of Dig.  And, that may be completely wrong.

Actually that did help thanks! Someone mentioned earlier in this thread about the Brian Jonestown Massacre and the documentary "Dig" and I didn't even connect it with the title, since when it was mentioned they were talking about the tambourine player being from that group.   

Sharon