6.10 - He's Slippin' 'Em Bread... Dig?

[gilmore-girl]

I think Rory was acting a little childish but at the same time she was in that stage of figuing out what she wanted. You know how people go through the awkward stage in life? I think thats what Rory was going through.

Just my thoughts...

[Dani257]

I'm going to get a reputation for being a Rory basher.  But, you know, they say fools rush in

Okay, I saw no figuring out what she wanted.  I saw her not doing any thinking.  I didn't see her think about Mitchum's criticisms and see if they were valid and see if she could correct the flaws he saw.  And, she obviously did think they were valid.  I didn't see her try to figure out an alternative plan if she felt journalism wasn't an option for her.  I never saw one scene where she gave any thought to her life, except to become Queen of the Sloths.  Shacking up in the poolhouse didn't make her an adult.  Dropping out of school and giving no plans to her future didn't make her an adult.  I don't expect a 20-21 year old to be completely mature, but I sure as heck expect them to be more mature than they were at 16.  Rory was more adult at 16 than she's been at 19 and she seems to keep de-aging as the years go by.

[gilmore-girl]

From Dani257

Okay, I saw no figuring out what she wanted.  I saw her not doing any thinking.  I didn't see her think about Mitchum's criticisms and see if they were valid and see if she could correct the flaws he saw.  And, she obviously did think they were valid.  I didn't see her try to figure out an alternative plan if she felt journalism wasn't an option for her.  I never saw one scene where she gave any thought to her life, except to become Queen of the Sloths.  Shacking up in the poolhouse didn't make her an adult.  Dropping out of school and giving no plans to her future didn't make her an adult.  I don't expect a 20-21 year old to be completely mature, but I sure as heck expect them to be more mature than they were at 16.  Rory was more adult at 16 than she's been at 19 and she seems to keep de-aging as the years go by.

Well in the end before she went back to Yale she figured out what she wanted. Jess gave her a bit of a wake up call. She finally saw what she had become and knew thats not what she wanted. I'm not saying she wasn't a little childish I agree wirth you there. I guess I just figured she wasn't going to be the Rory we all know and love the whole time through the series.

[Dani257]

Well, I'd say she was being a whole mega truck load of childish the entire time, but I'll just say that's semantics. 

[ggfanatic]

I believe a lot of you think if you are acting childish you can't be an adult.  Believe me I've known a lot of people in my life that were adults but acted very childish.  My idea is that Rory became an adult character in the show this season.  Her appearance changed, her attitude toward alcohol and sex changed as well as the way she treated her mother.  I think it's going to be tough to portray L/R the same way they have in the past when Rory has changed so much lately.

[Dani257]

I believe a lot of you think if you are acting childish you can't be an adult.  Believe me I've known a lot of people in my life that were adults but acted very childish.  My idea is that Rory became an adult character in the show this season.  Her appearance changed, her attitude toward alcohol and sex changed as well as the way she treated her mother.  I think it's going to be tough to portray L/R the same way they have in the past when Rory has changed so much lately.

I think we just have a different defintion of what adult is.  Appearance and sex and alcohol don't make you an adult.  There would be a lot of adult 14 year olds if that were the case/  Rory is an adult in years only.  In behavior?  Well, in my definition, she's been acting like a teenager.  And, not a basically mature person who happened to do some childish things.  A person who's entire personality seemed to turn into a rebellious spoiled teenager.

I do agree that the relationship with Lorelai will be different because Rory is different.  But, I disagree that the difference in Rory is her becoming more adult.

[roryg fan]

Interesting discussion but it is in the wrong place - as Krisleigh says above.

Please direct this discussion to the the proper thread

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[leebeasy]

I quite liked this episode it was great to have a Lane storyline, it feels like ages since she was on the show for more than one scene.

Did anyone think the hug between Luke and Rory was wierd? It seemed like neither of them wanted to do it.

[Lis]

...someone mentioned the scene with L/R felt forced.  I think that's because there is a whole new set of rules now.  L/R aren't that cuddly mother/daughter pair anymore.  During the period they were apart Rory really became a woman and not a little girl.  She chose a path her mother didn't want her to take.  She was practically living with Logan in the pool house until Emily moved her into the main house.  She was having sex regularly with Logan.  Now when L/R are in the house together it is much more like two roommates that it is mother/daughter.  I think much of the innocence of the show is gone and it will be hard to get back.  Maybe in 6 weeks.

I think the 'innocent' relationship ended between mother and daughter once Rory started sleeping with Dean.  It is also when Rory started to change too.  Not judging here...just saying...she started changing.  Relationships dont' stay the same, they change and Rory and Lorelei's has been in changing mode throughout the seasons...otherwise what would be the point of the show.

Anyway, everyone experiences their 'teen crisis' at different times, Rory's has just come later than some.....I refer to it as a 'crise de foi' /  a 'crisis of faith' (talking spiritual and not religious).  She was faced with what she considered a major failure (Mitchum's evaluation) and never really experiencing failure was not sure how to deal with it, so she started questioning everything she once believed about herself.

Most everyone has times in their life where they go through a 'crisis of faith'  some people have several....teenage/midlife/retirement  some are lucky and have only small one.  So, Rory just had her first as she passes from teenage in years to adult in years.  She didn't seem to be doing anything because such a crisis that she was a bit stunned ....she was just not clear in her direction.  Rory has finally worked it through and is getting back on track.

It is unrealistic to think all relationships will go back to exactly what they were without some awkwardness. As all character have supposedly grown and changed during the last 6 years, so will the way they communicate with each other. It is to be expected.  For fiction to work, it has to relate to the real world.

[FanaticalGilmore]

I think the 'innocent' relationship ended between mother and daughter once Rory started sleeping with Dean.  It is also when Rory started to change too.  Not judging here...just saying...she started changing.  Relationships dont' stay the same, they change and Rory and Lorelei's has been in changing mode throughout the seasons...otherwise what would be the point of the show.

Anyway, everyone experiences their 'teen crisis' at different times, Rory's has just come later than some.....I refer to it as a 'crise de foi' /  a 'crisis of faith' (talking spiritual and not religious).  She was faced with what she considered a major failure (Mitchum's evaluation) and never really experiencing failure was not sure how to deal with it, so she started questioning everything she once believed about herself.

Most everyone has times in their life where they go through a 'crisis of faith'  some people have several....teenage/midlife/retirement  some are lucky and have only small one.  So, Rory just had her first as she passes from teenage in years to adult in years.  She didn't seem to be doing anything because such a crisis that she was a bit stunned ....she was just not clear in her direction.  Rory has finally worked it through and is getting back on track.

It is unrealistic to think all relationships will go back to exactly what they were without some awkwardness. As all character have supposedly grown and changed during the last 6 years, so will the way they communicate with each other. It is to be expected.  For fiction to work, it has to relate to the real world.

I have not thought about that aspect at all.  I mean, I noticed Rory was growing up and was becoming a "woman" but I didn't realize the impact of the relationship between her and Lorelai changing until you pointed it out.  When she left home to live at the Gilmores, she changed herself.  She was playing the adult but with the privelages she had as the doted Granddaughter.  Maybe once Rory has been home for a while, the tension between her and Lorelai will subside, I don't think there is much tension but the routine of things will get back into sync.  They both have changed in those months/weeks apart, hopefully it will go back to being natural and not forced down.

 

BB

[lilrabbitangel14]

this episode was not the best episode to give us before the big haitus. i mean i expected something more...somethign that will keep us wondering for the next 6 weeks. theres were a lot faults in this episode. most of them being already pointed out in earlier post.

have anyone ever notice, its kinda weird..rory is like backward. she started off being a mature responsible kid in season 1 to 4...buh she becomes more childish nd immature. nd then later become even worse by having all those sex nd drinks with logan nd partying all day long. arent yoo suppose to get more mature when yoo get older?
Luke should jss tell Lorelai about the kid nd get it over with. he should know that even thought it might affect their relationship a bit..it wont ruin it. i mean its not like she doesnt have a kid or like yoo cheated on her. its been a long time nd even he didnt know about it. she might be mad (js a little) that he waited to tell her. buh seriously...i am sure the love they have can get through pratically everything.

[Lis]

this episode was not the best episode to give us before the big haitus. i mean i expected something more...somethign that will keep us wondering for the next 6 weeks.

I suppose we are to wonder if Luke will tell Lore about April or if  Lorelei finds out via someone else and feels betrayed....

...have anyone ever notice, its kinda weird..rory is like backward. she started off being a mature responsible kid in season 1 to 4...buh she becomes more childish nd immature. nd then later become even worse by having all those sex nd drinks with logan nd partying all day long. arent yoo suppose to get more mature when yoo get older?

It occurs in real life too. A lot of very mature teens do very immature things once away from parental guidelines/once turned 18 and away at university. It is quite typical.  Many do not mature until 22 or 24 or even 30....it is a little residual rebellion prior to becoming a real adult. Each in their own time....

[youngb]

I miss Rory's old times... She was unique... Mature but in a kid-way, she had responsibilities and she was planning everything...
But now she is like all other confused collage students, tryin to have fun and live every second like there is no tomorrow. (edit: She WAS...)
And all the DAR things that she attended to, made me like her less, Maybe not that bad but ı didnt like her in those suits and everything
She got old quicker, like in 1 season or something, she seemed 3 year older to me... Not that funny and sarcasting any more...
No talkin about bands, music, books...
I cant word it, ı hope you got what ı've tried to tell
And in this episode there was a moment, that Paul Anka was on table, and she "shood" him, that was fun, she was old Rory to me again..
Her face and attitude, She was fun.. 

[Krisleigh]

I do miss the old Rory. Sure, she was a naif, but she had personality. Now she seems callow and jaded and she def. grew up too fast. I think that's a lot of the shock of it. I don't mind that Rory grew up, but she did it all in one season  (5) and that made it hit like a train and it made it a lot more bitter. Growing up is life, but when it's done so quickly, you get bitter and disconected.

[gilmore-girl]

I miss Rory's old times... She was unique... Mature but in a kid-way, she had responsibilities and she was planning everything...

Yeah I miss the old Rory too but hopefully she'll come back now that she is going back to Yale and all.