7.11 - Santa's Secret Stuff

[Southern Lorelai]

I noticed that it started snowing *after* Lorelai put the letter into the mailbox... I may be reading really too much into this, but I'll risk posting it.

Don't ya'll think that it would have meant closure if it would have already been snowing *before* she put the letter in? I think that by it snowing after, it means hope that she will eventually be with Luke... but that is just me.

What do you think?

[Luke Danes Fan]

Why is planning her own wedding a problem?  Luke was busy, Lorelai didn't even know why he was being so secretive.  She had assumed, and wrongly it seems, that Luke was being truthful with her.  Planning her wedding on her own is by no means a bad thing on her part.  Luke is not the type to want to pick out the different egg shell colors that invitations come in.  I don't think he even cares.  Maybe your other points are valid, but I certainly don't think that pointing to Lorelai's enthusiasm for her own wedding is something you can call a bad trait.

Well sure Luke wouldn't mind her picking out the color schemes of the invitations and all, but she selected a date, a place for the wedding and reception, and everything. I'm  guy, and I wouldn't care about what color the invitations were, or anything like that, but where it's held, and when, yeah I think a guy should be in on that decission.

Her enthusiasm isn't a bad thing, but her getting upset when Luke asked her for more time is. He gave her more time when she asked for it, he even supported her. How hard would it have been for her to pick up her cell, call Luke and ask if the date, and location were ok with him?

[Luke Danes Fan]

They could also have put their original stockings up along with the new stockings.  Nothing wiped out the chance for Lorelai and Rory to continue their own traditions.

He changed them. When he hung up those ugly stockings he changed the tradition.

[Luke Danes Fan]

I noticed that it started snowing *after* Lorelai put the letter into the mailbox... I may be reading really too much into this, but I'll risk posting it.

Don't ya'll think that it would have meant closure if it would have already been snowing *before* she put the letter in? I think that by it snowing after, it means hope that she will eventually be with Luke... but that is just me.

What do you think?

I agree with you.

I saw the snow as being symbolic of a revelation. Lorelai once said that snow was always there when something good happened to her, that it was magic. I think while writing that letter she came to a realization and the snow symbolized that.

[Dani257]

He changed them. When he hung up those ugly stockings he changed the tradition.

It seems the big thing is the asthetic quality of the stockings.  And, since the tradition was hanging their old stockings, and they could have still done that it was at most a modification.  It's not like their old stockings would self descruct if they were hung up along with the new stockings.  Sorry, the ugly stockings.

"Sleighbells ring, are you listening?  In the lane, anvils are glistening.  A beautiful sight, we're happy tonight, walking in an anvilled wonderland!!!!"  Sorry, the snow thing was just so silly, it's a crime not to mock it at every opportunity.  I just wish I had some jazzy showstopper tune to modify for the occasion.

[Ggirlfan]

Just figured I'd add my two cents to the debates going on here...

At this point to say whether it was "cheating" when Lorelai slept with Chris shouldn't really matter because either way sleeping with someone else the same night you have a major blow out/break up with the person you have been engaged to for a long time is just not right.  She never should have ran to Christopher of all people that night. 

Why is planning her own wedding a problem?  Luke was busy, Lorelai didn't even know why he was being so secretive.  She had assumed, and wrongly it seems, that Luke was being truthful with her.  Planning her wedding on her own is by no means a bad thing on her part.  Luke is not the type to want to pick out the different egg shell colors that invitations come in.  I don't think he even cares.  Maybe your other points are valid, but I certainly don't think that pointing to Lorelai's enthusiasm for her own wedding is something you can call a bad trait.

Well sure Luke wouldn't mind her picking out the color schemes of the invitations and all, but she selected a date, a place for the wedding and reception, and everything. I'm  guy, and I wouldn't care about what color the invitations were, or anything like that, but where it's held, and when, yeah I think a guy should be in on that decission.

Her enthusiasm isn't a bad thing, but her getting upset when Luke asked her for more time is. He gave her more time when she asked for it, he even supported her. How hard would it have been for her to pick up her cell, call Luke and ask if the date, and location were ok with him?

I honestly think if April hadn't come into Luke's life like she did, he would have been fine with Lorelai planning the wedding, setting the date, etc...  The fact that Lorelai planned the whole wedding has nothing to do with the fact that he wanted to postpone it.  Even if Lorelai had called Luke on his cell phone and told him everything she wanted to do, I bet he would have said it was fine.  The only reason the wedding got postponed is because Lorelai brought it up.  She put the idea in Luke's head to postpone it, and when she did, he took her up on it so he would have time to process a life changing event, just like she needed time to reconcile with Rory.  I don't think Lorelai was "pissed" that he took her up on it, I think she was more "hurt" and disappointed, but I think she understood. 

I just saw the scene where the psychiatrist is giving Lorelai her advice in the back seat of her car, and it makes me sooo mad.  I think she was a lot of the reason Lorelai gave him the ultimatum.  Why give Luke an ultimatum instead of just letting everything out instead, and telling him how she really feels?  He didn't have a clue.  I hated the way she told Lorelai if she lost him, maybe she never had him in the first place.  I think that was a load of crap.  Lorelai had him, I don't think it was that he didn't want Lorelai, he was only preoccupied at what had been thrown at him.  Lorelai needed to make Luke aware of her feelings so he could understand her point of view.

[ggrox]

I just saw the scene where the psychiatrist is giving Lorelai her advice in the back seat of her car, and it makes me sooo mad.  I think she was a lot of the reason Lorelai gave him the ultimatum.  Why give Luke an ultimatum instead of just letting everything out instead, and telling him how she really feels?  He didn't have a clue.  I hated the way she told Lorelai if she lost him, maybe she never had him in the first place.  I think that was a load of crap.  Lorelai had him, I don't think it was that he didn't want Lorelai, he was only preoccupied at what had been thrown at him.  Lorelai needed to make Luke aware of her feelings so he could understand her point of view.

yes..omg i made a thread which all leads to chris:

chris was at emily's and richrds--because he was there emily invited psychiatrist--lorelai went to her--gave luke ultimatum--she slept with chris--broke up with luke--married chris

soo...this all starts and ends wit chris! die chris die! 

[gottaluvLuke]

Hey, this is my first post but I have been reading the boards for months... I love gilmore girls and I have actually really liked this season so far. I thought last nights show was okay ( I Loved the fact that it started snowing, even though some you think it was cheesy) Over all though I thought the show was kinda boring, but I guess it was necessary to get to the event everyone is waiting for (the end of Lor and chris). Was it just me or did any one else notice the lack of Arie girls? I didn't see one!

[LovesToRead]

I don't think the psychologist was out of line at all.  In fact, she was the only person looking at the situation objectively.  And she didn't tell Lorelai to go give Luke an ultimatum.  She presented her with two options.  She said she either had to go after what she wanted, and be okay if it didn't turn out or she had to be okay with waiting.  She chose the first one.

And I don't think it's a problem that Chris changed the tradition.  When you are adding people to your life in the way that Christopher is now in theirs, you have to make compromises.  It would have looked really bad (IMO) if they hadn't given him anything.  I think maybe they were disappointed to give up that tradition but obviously they decided it didn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

[Luke Danes Fan]

It seems the big thing is the asthetic quality of the stockings.  And, since the tradition was hanging their old stockings, and they could have still done that it was at most a modification.  It's not like their old stockings would self descruct if they were hung up along with the new stockings.  Sorry, the ugly stockings.

But see Christopher heard them say how important the stockings were, then he pulls out those hideous ones, and proceeds to hang them up. If he would have just hung up his and GiGi's then it wouldn't have been bad, but he didn't he just disregarded what they wanted and placed them up. They didn't hang their stockings up because they didn't want Christopher to feel like he wasn't a part of the family, or insulted.

"Sleighbells ring, are you listening?  In the lane, anvils are glistening.  A beautiful sight, we're happy tonight, walking in an anvilled wonderland!!!!"  Sorry, the snow thing was just so silly, it's a crime not to mock it at every opportunity.  I just wish I had some jazzy showstopper tune to modify for the occasion.

I liked the snow. The show has always had the snow pop up like that. When Lorelai predicted that it will snow, and dragged Luke outside he was telling her how every weather person said no snow, then, boom snow. When she and snow broke up (Which she announced the break up) and she started ranting, boom the snow came back. The snow has always entered on cue.

[Ggirlfan]

I don't think the psychologist was out of line at all. In fact, she was the only person looking at the situation objectively. And she didn't tell Lorelai to go give Luke an ultimatum. She presented her with two options. She said she either had to go after what she wanted, and be okay if it didn't turn out or she had to be okay with waiting. She chose the first one.

I think it would have been better if the psycholigist said something more like, "You need to tell Luke how you are feeling", or even asked if Luke knew she felt this way.  Since we really didn't get to see the whole "session" with the pyschologist, we don't know if Lorelai had told her how much she had been keeping to herself.  Luke did not have a clue he was isolating Lorelai like that.  She needed to communicate that before issuing an ultimatum. She tried to do everything all at once because thats how she interpreted the psychologist saying go after what you want, and be okay if it doesn't turn out, or keep waiting. In other words, to make a decision not to make a decision, and be okay with that.

I just don't think there were only two options.   Lorelai had the option of at least opening up to him, and come up with some sort of compromise together.  Luke wasn't putting the wedding off because he was afraid of committment issues, he was dealing with another major curveball in his life that he was trying to work out.

[honkifuluvGG]

Sort of on the subject that you guys have come to, just thought I would share an amusing little thought.

The whole time that I was watching that episode, I couldn't get out of my mind that the reason the psychologist was there, was not for a set up with Christopher, but in fact for her to befriend Lorelai and shrink her into resolution that she should drop the whole Luke thing and pursue Chris.  I half kept expecting Emily to pop out from behhind the bushes with a cheque for a job well done at the end of the episode.  How wrong is that??!

[Luke Danes Fan]

Just figured I'd add my two cents to the debates going on here...

At this point to say whether it was "cheating" when Lorelai slept with Chris shouldn't really matter because either way sleeping with someone else the same night you have a major blow out/break up with the person you have been engaged to for a long time is just not right.  She never should have ran to Christopher of all people that night. 

I agree, whether she was cheating or not, she was wrong for sleeping with someone that soon after the fight, and esspecially Christopher. But I still consider it cheating since she never actually told Luke it was over, so she never ended it until the next day.

I honestly think if April hadn't come into Luke's life like she did, he would have been fine with Lorelai planning the wedding, setting the date, etc...  The fact that Lorelai planned the whole wedding has nothing to do with the fact that he wanted to postpone it.  Even if Lorelai had called Luke on his cell phone and told him everything she wanted to do, I bet he would have said it was fine.  The only reason the wedding got postponed is because Lorelai brought it up.  She put the idea in Luke's head to postpone it, and when she did, he took her up on it so he would have time to process a life changing event, just like she needed time to reconcile with Rory.  I don't think Lorelai was "pissed" that he took her up on it, I think she was more "hurt" and disappointed, but I think she understood. 

It's not so much that she planned the wedding as much as her lack of empahy. She told Luke she wanted to put the wedding on hold until she and Rory were ok. Luke was ok with that and was willing to wait until they repaired their rift. Then when Luke wanted that same time so he can adjust to having a teenage daughter in his life, Lorelai just made it about her, and let her fears of never geting married take over, instead of empathizing with Luke.

I just saw the scene where the psychiatrist is giving Lorelai her advice in the back seat of her car, and it makes me sooo mad.  I think she was a lot of the reason Lorelai gave him the ultimatum.  Why give Luke an ultimatum instead of just letting everything out instead, and telling him how she really feels?  He didn't have a clue.  I hated the way she told Lorelai if she lost him, maybe she never had him in the first place.  I think that was a load of crap.  Lorelai had him, I don't think it was that he didn't want Lorelai, he was only preoccupied at what had been thrown at him.  Lorelai needed to make Luke aware of her feelings so he could understand her point of view.

I think the psychiarist actually feed Lorelai's insecurities. That and the whole getting jealous of Christopher thing really pushed Lorelai into the ultimatum. It's funny how it comes back to Emily again. Without really realizing it (Or maybe she did) Emily planted seeds of doubt in Lorelai. The big announcement. The House. Mentioning how good Christopher looks. Mentioning how both her and Rory thing Christopher needs to start dating again. Then inviting Christopher over for dinner when Lorelai was there, and inviting another woman over as well. Emily really fed those insecurities, whether she knew it or not, she did it.

[Luke Danes Fan]

yes..omg i made a thread which all leads to chris:

chris was at emily's and richrds--because he was there emily invited psychiatrist--lorelai went to her--gave luke ultimatum--she slept with chris--broke up with luke--married chris

soo...this all starts and ends wit chris! die chris die! 

See my post above, I think it all leads back to Emily. Can you just imagine if Emily reall did manipulate all of this? What if she even set up the psychiatrist?

[Luke Danes Fan]

Hey, this is my first post but I have been reading the boards for months... I love gilmore girls and I have actually really liked this season so far. I thought last nights show was okay ( I Loved the fact that it started snowing, even though some you think it was cheesy) Over all though I thought the show was kinda boring, but I guess it was necessary to get to the event everyone is waiting for (the end of Lor and chris). Was it just me or did any one else notice the lack of Arie girls? I didn't see one!

I liked the snow as well, it fits in with how the show has used snow before. I think the CW has decided not to use the Aerie Girls. I said it before, it was a good concept, but it was poorly executed.

Welcome to the boards.