7.09 - Knit, People, Knit!

[Ggirlfan]

Plot device always works.  Maybe if Rory doesn't want to use money from either her grandparents or Christopher, than Paris and Doyle's apartment is all she can afford?  (maybe now she can go back to work at the Stamford paper or do that job she had at Yale before -which I totally can't remember)

What I am trying to figure out is how is she affording the apartment?  Does Rory have a JOB?  Is she getting money from Christopher since he's paying for school? If that is the case, if Christopher is paying for it anyway, why would she move back there?? I agree with everyone else here.  I was surprised to see her move back there.  Couldn't they still involve Paris in Rory's life as her friend with out her moving in with her again?  Honestly, I would rather see her hanging out with Paris than with the Tweedles.  They don't seem like Rory's type at all.  I don't mind Olivia, but Lucy...ugh, she drives me nuts, especially with the "boyfriend" thing!

[willowsprite]

Wait.  I'm probably wrong, but I thought Rory was subletting the apartment from Paris, not moving in with her.

Paris did call it a subletting agreement, but I think it was really a 'rent a room' agreement.  Otherwise she wouldn't have had the bit in there about extra $ for time Logan is around (using up hot water etc.).  A sublet would be all hers, so no need to worry about sharing the utility bills.

And on the recent posts on Marty, I too think he's undergone a bit of a radical character change.  I still don't get why he pretended not to know Rory.  Even if the 'girlfriend' knew he had had a crush on someone and that someone turned out to be Rory, I still don't think its in character for the old Marty to hide it like that.  Or Rory to go along with it for that matter.

[ilvblueskies]

I have to disagree....why should the town accept him right away?  They have seen the pain he has caused the GG.  Coming and going when he felt like it.  Not even being able to afford Rory a dictionary at one time.  Where has he given them reason to like or trust him?

[lessa]

Wait.  I'm probably wrong, but I thought Rory was subletting the apartment from Paris, not moving in with her.

Paris did call it a subletting agreement, but I think it was really a 'rent a room' agreement.  Otherwise she wouldn't have had the bit in there about extra $ for time Logan is around (using up hot water etc.).  A sublet would be all hers, so no need to worry about sharing the utility bills.

And on the recent posts on Marty, I too think he's undergone a bit of a radical character change.  I still don't get why he pretended not to know Rory.  Even if the 'girlfriend' knew he had had a crush on someone and that someone turned out to be Rory, I still don't think its in character for the old Marty to hide it like that.  Or Rory to go along with it for that matter.

The idea of melding Jess and Marty as exes who have a beef is kind of growing on me, though. The old Marty never would have been bold enough to even approach a girl as loud and feisty as Lucy (maybe she picked him up) but I like the idea that instead of hiding in a room after his rejection, he manned up and got himself out there. In a way, this bizzarro 'Jarty' could be an attempt by Marty to be more like the men to whom Rory is attracted.

I'm hoping at the very least that the new Marty can hold his own in an argument with Logan!

[Dani257]

I have to disagree....why should the town accept him right away?  They have seen the pain he has caused the GG.  Coming and going when he felt like it.  Not even being able to afford Rory a dictionary at one time.  Where has he given them reason to like or trust him?

The only definitive thing the town has seen him do was not be able to afford a dictionary (not being able to afford something =bad.  Being able to afford everything =bad.  Christopher, you might as well face it.  You're screwed coming and going).  Him leaving?  The guy didn't live in Stars Hollow.  Unless he moved there, logic suggests of course he was going to leave.  In the few other times (because I can think of times when he came for a visit, left -as visitors are wont to do- and didn't cause problems) the town wouldn't have had any knowledge of it.  Wedding Bell Blues (the only time I would say he did something by his actions to cause troubles) would not be known by the town.  Luke wasn't going to say anything, since he's not Mr. Sociable.  Lorelai wasn't going to say anything except maybe to Sookie.  (Does Sookie have a big mouth?  Did she blab all over town?  Is that how the town now has this dossier of evil Christopher deeds with which to distrust him?    )


A thousand ninjas chasing me won't change my feelings about how the town acted, but it seems much more plausible to me that they would be stiff and distant simply in view of the fact that they don't know him very well, and mommy taught them not to take or give candy to strangers, rather than Christopher is on some kind of probation because the town has a lot of particular reason to be wary of him.

[Nov78]

I have to disagree....why should the town accept him right away?  They have seen the pain he has caused the GG.  Coming and going when he felt like it.  Not even being able to afford Rory a dictionary at one time.  Where has he given them reason to like or trust him?

Ok, I'll vainly try to defend Christopher once more.  I think people have blown the dictionary incident out of proportion.  It was not an ordinary $10 paperback dictionary that he couldn't afford.  It was the big, multi-volume Oxford English dictionary, which has pretty much every word used in English for the past several hundred years in it. (I was an English minor in college.) That thing is really expensive.  I was just looking it up on Amazon, and prices for the "shorter version" start at $94, and having just seen the episode recently I think she wanted one of the longer versions, because it came in a big box.  For the longer versions, the prices range from $250 to $900.  I think Rory even commented in the episode how expensive it was, which was why she had been pining over it for awhile.  Granted it's true that Chris didn't seem too good at holding down a job in the early years of the show and had financial problems, but just wanted to clarify this exaggerated view that Chris couldn't even afford a few bucks for a dictionary.

[MikeinLA]

The point of the story wasn't the price of the dictionary. The point was, Christopher is so irresponsible he didn't even know whether or not his bank card could take that size hit. He was trying to grandstand for Rory and made a fool of himself.

A responsible adult knows about how much purchasing power he has at his disposal for impulse items, and the fact that Christopher's card got bounced for five hundred dollars shows he is NOT the success he was letting on to be. If he was, and that particular account was low at the moment, he'd have another card which would work. The scene shows him up as a fake.

This scene and this ep aren't in this season. How did we fall down this rathole?

 

[lessa]

Well, that was then and this is now. Christopher wanted to be with Lorelai, so he faked being ready. It's true, responsible people don't pray to the ATM gods.

Now, he's still stinging from that embarrassment, so he feels a need to throw the cash around to prove he isn't faking any more. It's still impulsive, even if he has the bucks to back it up.

[Dani257]

The point of the story wasn't the price of the dictionary. The point was, Christopher is so irresponsible he didn't even know whether or not his bank card could take that size hit. He was trying to grandstand for Rory and made a fool of himself.

A responsible adult knows about how much purchasing power he has at his disposal for impulse items, and the fact that Christopher's card got bounced for five hundred dollars shows he is NOT the success he was letting on to be. If he was, and that particular account was low at the moment, he'd have another card which would work. The scene shows him up as a fake.

This scene and this ep aren't in this season. How did we fall down this rathole?

 

Because, if people are saying that the behavior of the townspeople in this episode is because they didn't trust him based on actions or behavior in previous episodes, I think it makes sense that if someone has information about those previous episodes it makes sense to share it.  There is a connection, and there is also nothing wrong with getting the facts straight.  It's quite possible that after 6 seasons and the OED (I'm assuming) not exactly being something that everyone buys, some people might have had the impression that he couldn't afford a $10 paperback.  Whether or not the meaning is the same if it was $10 or $100 I find getting the facts, even small ones, straight to be a good thing.  Nov78 acknowledged that Christopher had financial problems and couldn't hold a job.  Also acknowledging that what he was trying to buy wasn't something that anyone could afford doesn't take away from that and at least one person (me!) found it interesting detail that simply adds shades to the discussion.

[ace101]

Love the luke
hate the chris
anyway the gilmore girls rock hard

  I totally agree with u.. ooh and just a little FYI.. ur font was so hrd 2 read th@ i had 2 higlight it so i could figure out what u said!   [/color]

[MikeinLA]

On the subject of getting the facts straight: According to their own website:

http://www.oed.com/news/

the 20-volume set of the Oxford English Dictionary  usually retails in Stars Hollow for $1,500. That little box Rory and Christopher took up to the cash register could not possibly have been that same thing.

Any adult with a credit or ATM card knows whether or not it will accept a fifteen-hundred dollar charge. Not everyone could make such a purchase, but a responsible adult would KNOW whether or not he could. The scene made Christopher look like a doofus.

[Nov78]

Because, if people are saying that the behavior of the townspeople in this episode is because they didn't trust him based on actions or behavior in previous episodes, I think it makes sense that if someone has information about those previous episodes it makes sense to share it.  There is a connection, and there is also nothing wrong with getting the facts straight.  It's quite possible that after 6 seasons and the OED (I'm assuming) not exactly being something that everyone buys, some people might have had the impression that he couldn't afford a $10 paperback.  Whether or not the meaning is the same if it was $10 or $100 I find getting the facts, even small ones, straight to be a good thing.  Nov78 acknowledged that Christopher had financial problems and couldn't hold a job.  Also acknowledging that what he was trying to buy wasn't something that anyone could afford doesn't take away from that and at least one person (me!) found it interesting detail that simply adds shades to the discussion.

Thanks Dani, for the defense!  I didn't initially bring up the OED thing, but I saw it somewhere in this thread (as I've seen in other recent episode threads), brought up as an example of Chris's immaturity, so I thought for once I'd take the opportunity to clarify about the OED.  I know it isn't directly relevant to this episode, but is relevant to what people are saying currently about Chris.

You are totally right, Mike, that a responsible adult should know what he on his credit card.  I don't disagree that Chris wasn't good with money back then and wasn't too responsible.  I was just trying to point out that it wasn't that he didn't have a dollar to his name and couldn't afford a $10 book as people seemed to be implying, but rather couldn't afford a much more expensive book [Btw, I wasn't implying that they were buying the full 20-volume set, but even the more compact version is several hundred dollars].  To me though, the fact that he wanted so badly to do something good for Rory and ignored the fact that his card might not go through, actually scored points with me.  I just generally find Chris to be a sympathetic character -- one of those people who always wants to be good and come through for others but just can't quite do it (up until the last two seasons anyhow).  To me that makes him an interesting character to watch, even though others find him to be immature and irresponsible.  Always good, always mature characters who always make the right decisions are just dull to watch.  But sorry, I'm way digressing from this episode...

[Aimmers514]

I felt kinda bad for Christopher.  He was only trying to do a nice thing.  His heart was in the right place but unfortunately he didnt think through the consquences.  That seems to be the norm for him.  It would have been nice if he gave the money later in the day or not as much money upfront...

and Lorelai was so cute in how she was so disappointed in the end of the Knitathon.  You can really tell that she loves her town!

[MaRcOPoLoxxx]

i didnt feel bad for chris at all i loved the fact everyone hates him!!!! i was all like go jackson when he started talking to chiris bout how you have to love your plants i liked the fact that this episode had more Stars Hallow i reminded me of all the towns things they used to show but dont anymore i think gg was great in the first 4 seasons and started getting worse after that cause they stopped with all the towns things cause rory because a rich snotty upper class girl, i dont like who rorys become but i still gotta watch gg to see L/L getting married (i hope they do)

[ggrox]

Well, that was then and this is now. Christopher wanted to be with Lorelai, so he faked being ready. It's true, responsible people don't pray to the ATM gods.

Now, he's still stinging from that embarrassment, so he feels a need to throw the cash around to prove he isn't faking any more. It's still impulsive, even if he has the bucks to back it up.

I hate it how chris shows his $$ everywhere...after talking and readiing more and more about christopher...to sum up his charster in one word would be...impulsive...to sum up his character in one pic..
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