7.08 - Introducing Lorelai Planetarium

[Kelly28]

I agree Laya.

[zeddie]

Laya and Kelly28

i am in agreement with the "sweetie" thing, i was expecting April to say "Oy with the sweetie, already!"  it was too many times.  Re: Lorelai, it's just been us two, i guess i hear that as her just talking about the bond those two have and had - their secret world, and letting a man in or whatever - interfers kind of.  I do not take that to mean she feels utterly alone, but that's just how i read that.  It may just be a signal that she knows Rory might have to soon be pulling away more?  And if i am thinking of this out of context, then, that's my bad.  i do AGREE, that Lorelai Gilmore hardly knows what real "alone" means!  I should be so alone!

[LLFan]

I have said it before and will say it again......

Everyone complains about the show this year but I think they are getting better every week and I cannot wait for next weeks. 

I think everyone has it wrong.....its not the writing, its the storyline they dont like....thats what everyone is up in arms about. L & L being apart. I hate it too but the writing is great.  AGAIN, blame ASP for this story, she left it this way at the end of last year, now DR has to write us out of it and he is doing a great job!!

[onegglove]

I agree with you LLFan 150%.....

I think the writing this year is the same great stuff, if not better then previous seasons. It's just a whole new era of the Gilmore Girls finally growing up.

Stay tuned.

[Dani257]

I read the significance of those things a little different. The Tweedles' objective viewpoint (Did you love Lucy's 'Betty Boop' look?) that she was too caustic in her presentation shows that it was a misunderstanding not representative of true class difficulties between them. But it was a close call that made Rory at least realize that if she didn't rise above her own hypocrisy and move out, problems could eventually come out of their class differences.

Logan was hurt by what he saw as a shot at people he barely respected himself, and then only because he needed their money or endorsements. Come on, it's not like she staged a protest of unfair hiring practices outside his new business or something. Save some of that thin-lipped aggression for a real betrayal.

I don't think Logan barely respects them.  Rory makes fun of Stars Hollow, but that doesn't mean she doesn't respect them.  I make fun of my family but I respect them.  And, there's no reason for Logan to worry that his endorsements are going to go away.  Because of one insulting article by Rory Gilmore?  I don't think everyone at that party was that thin skinned.  The mere fact that she insulted an entire group of people for nothing more than being born a certain way was more than enough reason to be angry.

And, I'd think he'd have less reason to be angry if she staged a protest on unfair hiring practices.  There, she would actually have some basis for saying something.  Unfair hiring practices would be someone doing something wrong.  If that were the case, I could see the argument playing out very differently.  Instead of Rory realizing she was being judgemental, it probably would have been more Logan realizing that she was right.  I would reverse it and say get angry for pointless judging, not when someone has actual grounds.  I also think if Rory had written a neutral article on them and saved her wit and attempts at humor for a couple of paragraphs on Trip (the guy that bored them) Logan wouldn't have gotten angry.  It would have been the same thing, but it wouldn't have been her stretching her low opinions on an entire social class who, at least represented by that party had done absolutely nothing to make her feel inferior or unwelcome.  I would be much more annoyed with Logan if he made a fuss about Rory protesting something like unfair hiring practices.  And, if he saw that as a betrayal, that would double it.  But, this seems to be added on to the things we have completely different viewpoints on.

So, to something else that I wondered.  Would it just be common knowledge when the semester at Yale was ending?  I mean, could the fact that Logan's collegue (what are their names?) knew Rory would be graduating in 6 months be just that anyone observant could add up the dates, or could it possibly be a subtle indication that Logan talks about Rory to his friends?  I mean in a good way, like mentioning how she would be graduating.  If it is, it would show that Rory isn't just a part of his life while he's visiting or talking to her, but she's important enough to mention in conversations with his pals.

I like how Logan does seem to be changing the way that his father and Rory had hoped my him living in London. I'm surprised his Dad let him move back after such a sort time there.

Maybe he didn't.  Maybe Logan made this decision independantly because it made the most sense. It could open up an interesting story if Mitchum hasn't approved and doesn't even know.  I could picture a potential argument between them.  And, I could also picture Rory having a conversation with Mitchum like in Partings, only she'd have a good reason not to back down this time.  Not that I think it's going to happen, but I could see where it might.

[lessa]

Well, Rory wouldn't be angry if Logan said Kirk shouldn't be allowed to walk the streets or that Taylor was likely to faint from pomposity unless she thought he was remarking as an outsider. Is that how he sees her? I mean, it would be fair since she isn't rich and clearly doesn't understand certain things about owning a lot of stuff (wasn't it cute the way Logan had named his suit of armor?) but his slur on her dependence made it seem like he thought she was trying to abandon her class in favor of his. Or at least that's why it seemed so insulting to me. I think living in his apartment while he stayed in New York made it seem like she was happy to enjoy his assets, even when he wasn't around. Ecchhh, Shira Jr.

[aryan2003]

Yay logans moving back.... after the fight scene of "screw you logan" my mind has changed. Then the scene of making up, it's all good. Confusing. Whatever.

I hate how GiGi is taking rory's room / place in lorelais house, chris has money, build on a room for her, ust put in a temp. bed. RORY DESERVES A ROOM!

The episode was slowpaced and boring.

SOMETHIGN I HAVE BEEN DYING TO SAY: It's ASP's fault that luke + lorelai are over, they wrote teh part of eloping, and him saying no. New writer just used what he had, but left out the juice of the characters. THANKS ALOT ASP But, new writer, hopefully you'll at some content/halrity back into this WAS A COMEDY comedy!..


This post is not to be rude to anyone, just my wholesome opinion!:) THANKS FOR LISTENING!!:D

[Jen33]

My favourite storyline atm so hope you don't mind me butting in....

I remember thinking that the class/background issue would be a good one to bring up in order to unsettle Logan and at the same time force Rory to address her own feelings about it.  Previously, she has appeared as comfortable moving in the wealthy social circles or E/R as amongst her friends in Stars Hollow.  Any yet, didn't Jess say (when he last appeared) that they used to make fun of people like Logan?  

If it is, it would show that Rory isn't just a part of his life while he's visiting or talking to her, but she's important enough to mention in conversations with his pals.

 
I got that impression in The Great Stink when Bobby said that Logan talked about her all the time... (even if she did say it in a rather condescending way)

It could open up an interesting story if Mitchum hasn't approved and doesn't even know.  I could picture a potential argument between them.  And, I could also picture Rory having a conversation with Mitchum like in Partings, only she'd have a good reason not to back down this time.  Not that I think it's going to happen, but I could see where it might.

This may not be a very popular opinion, but I like the character of Mitchum and would love to see him come back.  Ok, he's not particularly likeable, but I think he does have some redeeming features, and I think it would be interesting to explore his character further.

I hate how GiGi is taking rory's room / place in lorelais house, chris has money, build on a room for her, ust put in a temp. bed. RORY DESERVES A ROOM!

I agree - and I was surprised (and a little disappointed) that Lorelai changed her mind at the end and gave the room to Gigi.

[Dani257]

This may not be a very popular opinion, but I like Mitchum and would love to see him come back.  Ok, he's not particularly likeable, but I think he does have some redeeming features, and I think it would be interesting to explore his character further.

Mitchum is one of my favorite characters.  I won't go into the whole hypothetical storyline I've concocted in my head, but it would be nice to give Logan a chance to stand up to his dad with some actual ammunition - that he has been working this whole time and will continue to be doing that, but also give Mitchum the chance to come to be proud of Logan as he is now, not as someone who could be so much more if he shaped up.

Why did Rory act all weird with the greeting thing with Trip?  He had to practically yank her face to his.  I mean, it was the standard greeting with her and Logan's partners, and Bobbi did it with Trip just a second before. 

Less deep observations, Rory and Logan can just be enjoyed (for me) on the whole communications thing, but also for how cute they are together.  And, i'm not talking physical appearance.  They just act cute.  I liked how his surprise this time was more normal then the last time.  Elaborate displays are always nice, but it's the less elaborate things that make them seem cosy.  Logan just being in the apartment, Rory running and hugging him, but not leaping into his arms like last time.  Even her telling him to quit scaring her.

I paid so much attention to the fight and reconcilliation (still best bit of writing in the episode) that I skipped over some things.  So, I'm making up for that here.  *evil grin*  This whole episode was a give and take between them, starting from their first scene on the phone.  That conversation was Logan listening to Rory telling him about her day (I'm guessing she had been with the Tweedles?) A contrast to whatever episode it was that she brushed off her tutoring gig because it wasn't interesting.  And, then, when they were face to face, Rory knew instantly what place he had been trying to get for the launch party.  And, I think they were their best and most considerate of each other at the party itself.  Which I think I might have said already, so I won't repeat why.  But, I'm putting this episode away to refer to when people say that all Logan and Rory do is have sex.  Someone at TWoP mentioned that they hoped that one good thing to come out of Logan being away was that their relationship would have to be a lot of talking and communicating and not relying so much on physical affection.  I think this episode was a sign of that.

[laya-05]

Yeah, Logan and Rory do make quite a cute couple.

I don't particularly have a problem with Mitchum's character. I don't hold anything against him for telling Rory the truth about her 'it' factor of journalism. He's a professional - that's his job. And I don't thinkt he way he said it was harsh or anything. It wasn't in front of a bunch of co-workers or anything drastic like that.

[Jen33]

Why did Rory act all weird with the greeting thing with Trip?  He had to practically yank her face to his.  I mean, it was the standard greeting with her and Logan's partners, and Bobbi did it with Trip just a second before.

I'm assuming that it was meant to show that she felt slightly uncomfortable around these people - she wasn't 'one of them'.  It did come across as awkward and a little contrived.  It could have been a comic moment - I mean who hasn't been in that situation at some time....  'should I shake hands?  kiss one cheek? kiss both?  or... gone to kiss the same side and collided  .  But if it was supposed to be a comic moment it didn't come off as such, so I'm going with the first option.  

I agree they're very cute together.  One of the things I love is the concern they have for each other.  From the very beginning Logan has shown an awareness and concern for Rory - an early example was when he threw in his poker hand, following Sookie's telephone call telling her she was needed by Lorelai.  He jumped up asking if she was ok almost before she had a chance to stand up.  It was good to see Rory putting aside her own problems because she understood that this was his evening.

Mitchum is one of my favorite characters.  I won't go into the whole hypothetical storyline I've concocted in my head,

Oh yes.. please do..would love to hear it.. just let me know where to look if you do .... still finding my way around the forum rules regarding where you can and can't post speculations / spoilers...LOL

[whiffenpoof]

has everyone forgotten what logan has done to rory throughout this relationship?
 i dont understand how you people can possibly like logan in the least!
think back my fellow gilmore fans and consider all the horrible things logan has done to rory!
not only that but he has completely changed her. i havent seen the good ole rory in a long while.
i hope maybe this will open some of the logan rory fans eyes.

just sit. and think. and your mind will be changed.

[Dani257]

I'll post my hypotheticals in the Logan/Rory discussion thread, since it also has Rory in it.  No spoilers, since there aren't any of Mitchum as of now.  (It's okay to mention spoilers if you mention something that hasn't been spoiled right?)

And, no, I haven't forgotten things Logan has done.  But, I give credit to characters for improving and I don't hold a grudge for past mistakes when I feel that they regret those errors and work to fix them and when I see no  sign whatsoever that they'll repeat past mistakes.

And, I think Rory is better than she's been in a long time. 

Off to post my hypotheticals.

*thinking*  *thinking*  *sitting*  *sitting*  Nope, still feel the same way about Logan.  Only, I think my butt's been fused to the chair with all this sitting.  Hate to think what's happened to my brain with all that thinking.

Hypothetical posted, btw.
(apostrophes can be so critical at times)

[laya-05]

I agree. I thought Rory was quite humourous in this episode. Alexis Bledel did a wonderful job. It didn't seem forced as it does on occasion. I really liked Rory this episode - which was nice. I tend to find the Rory of Season 7 dull.

[lessa]

I've been in that "air-kisses" situation. When you're not comfortable with it, it can be a little shocking that it's rude to refuse, like a handshake!