7.08 - Introducing Lorelai Planetarium

[jayde]

This might get me biffed by the snarko-stick (and hey, when did community points get reinstated? ) and is a bit of an aside, but all for the sake of good conversation:

I've always wondered why Lorelai is never bothered by Luke's protectiveness and nitpicking when it comes to children. He grumbled about every one of Rory's boyfriends, and luckily he never seemed to want to control Lorelai but he seems like the over-protective parent. Since Lorelai rebelled against a more extreme form of that as a child, wouldn't she be irked by it? This is on my mind because of how Luke felt about April's first boy-girl party. She's 13. In fact, boy-girl parties happen a whole lot sooner for a lot of kids. If she was 11 I can see him wanting to put restrictions and being concerned. But making her promise not to kiss? I got irritated at that. He only became aware of of April when she was already 12. Much of her raising has been done and will continue being done by Anna. April taking instructions and orders from him must be similar to the way a kid would feel about a step-parent that just came on the scene. Luke's gotta lighten up. Remember how Lorelai responded when Max was asking what he should say concerning Rory and boys? Why hasn't it ever come up with L/L?

I know this isn't an issue that will be addressed with L/L apart but it never seemed to arise even when they were together and were lightly hinting at the thought of having their own children.

Seperate thought: Why is this ep titled what it is? The Planetarium wasn't unveiled. Did I miss something? Did I space out again?

[dizB]

How are people surprised that Chris didn't get why Rory was upset? Luke doesn't know much about his daughter either. This isn't the first time a dad is clueless, I mean, aren't all dads pretty clueless about the inner workings of their daughters minds? I think people are trying to find anything they can to gripe about Chris - and there may be plenty, but him being baffled by his daughter doesn't make him a bad fit. My goodness, my dad thinks I'm nuts and can't understand my obsession with this show - talk about CLUELESS!

[dragonfly010]

Okay- im new on the forum, however i am definately not new to this show.  I've been watching it since it first aired.  And I know that this thing with Lorelai and Chris is SSSOOOO not right.  Yes they do seem to have the same wit and yes they do have a child together, but that does't make them soul mates! I liked the Philidelphia story at the end and i am happy that logan is moving to the continent!! It will be good to see them in the same room again and not on the phone miles and miles away!!  I'm kinda glad rory is moving out, i mean-that would be weird logan having 2 apartments when he is only living in 1 of them.  

[dizB]

A couple of responses - I agree with Jayde, Luke is ridiculously overprotective, and that goes ditto for Anna and her ridiculous freakout about the birthday party last year. That poor April is gonna come home with tattoos and a 20 year old boyfriend if they keep her in a bubble the way they are now.

Secondly, about the episode title - the only thing I can guess is, when Logan threw it in Rory's face about the planetarium, it was introducing her to the idea that she is just another rich brat? I don't know, it's a stretch, but that was the only reference.

[jayde]

Again, if Lorelai was all honky dory with her marriage I think she would have told Luke before he had to see the ring on her finger. Especially, since she was trying to hide her left hand when she first got to the hospital.

Even if she was 100% over-the-moon about her marriage to Chris, it would take time and delicate wording to break it to the man whom she was going to marry. I don't think the fact that she didn't tell Luke about the marriage is a sign of her insecurity. It's more a sign of her not knowing how to break it to him, or not being ready to face him concerning it.

[rainbow]

This is my first post here, but I've come here and read for quite some time... mostly to keep up with episodes I might have missed.  I liked this episode...  I have to say what finally made me post is that I found the "she can't even be called a woman" post to be offensive.  I can only guess that the poster is young and (I hope) hasn't experienced a lot of difficult choices in her life...

I think that the choices that Lorelai and Rory have made are ones that - while each of us might question them - are ones that are perfectly explained by them and by their characters.  When you truly love someone you are more understanding and things that seem unacceptable become acceptable, things that seem nonsensical begin to make sense...  Real, true love changes you...

The movie was The Philadelphia Story... a woman is divorced from her first husband, is about to marry another man, and through a twist of events ends up with her first husband again... he steps in on the (2nd) wedding night, after the "new" man abandons her, and volunteers to be "the one" again.  I think it was an excellent parallel to the Luke/Lorelai/Christopher story... and for the record I'm a "java junkie."  I was disappointed with the decision to have Lorelai and Chris marry, but I think it was a realistic thing after all that's happened...  And as far as Rory's reaction - of course she was hurt.  She should have been.  And Lorelai was right to chase her down and talk to her about it.

Finally, for everyone who is mad at the new writers, remember that ASP set all this up.

[Dani257]

I'll read posts later.  First, let me say what I'm sure is not something that gets said around here that much.  For this episode at least, I totally love David Rosenthal.  He wrote the Rory/Logan story absolutely perfect. (note, okay I don't know if he wrote it, but he accepted the script.  Blessings on whoever wrote it as well)   None of my fears were met.  I was worried that Rory would write a nasty story out of jealousy or out of being passive aggressive.  She didn't.  We know from Die Jerk (I think that's the name) that Rory can be extremely aggressive when she writes and I can see her humor being more caustic than she thought it would be.  I can also see her thinking Logan would join her in laughing over everything.  Which I think is both good and bad.  Good because she does think of Logan as merely Logan, not a trust fund kid or someone of privelege.  It's one of the good things about Rory that she doesn't have the same class issues (although she seems to have a touch of them) that both Lorelai and R&E have. Bad because of the same reasons.  This is a part of who Logan is and it's not something like a criminal past you overlook.  Good for Logan for saying that his background is nothing to be ashamed of.  Being rich is seen to be a moral failing.  It's not.  Any of Logan's failings he could easily have if he were poor and all of his strengths come from being him which have happened while he's rich and could happen if he were poor.  Also, he does have a point.  Rory may have grown up until she was 16 as a small town girl, and spent her early years in a shed, but she is part of privelege.  She didn't need a scholarship to go her fancy public school or Yale.  Her grandparents and later Christopher paid for her education.  Which again isn't bad.  Also, the rent comment was much better.  Logan was angry, he spoke without thinking, he was insensitive, but again like Rory's story, nothing malicious.  He apologized, she apologized and although it sounds like she's still moving out it's not a break up (I LOVE you, DR!!!!).  I think if Logan was going to be living in the apartment and commuting to New York, she might have stayed, but I think after the initial being upset about his remarks Rory started thinking that with him in NY, it's not simply the two of them sharing a home, it's her being a rent free tenant.  I don't know if she will actually move out, but I don't think it will be a bad thing if she does.  That was Logan's Yale apartment.  Rory is moving on from Yale soon.  I think this is a mature decision, not a snitty "my boyfriend was nasty to me" one.

And, just how adorable were they before the big story?  Logan getting a kick out of surprising her again (I new when she was on the phone he would be there) but this time no big display or anything.  And, still signs that they share conversations about their lives.  He knew about Lorelai going to Paris.  She still knows about his internet company.  I also love that Logan was instantly concerned and interested when Rory mentioned that Lorelai and Christopher got married, and was willing to go somewhere with her and talk.  I like that Rory didn't want to spoil his party.  Plus, she really did act well and didn't let her bad move over the marriage ruin an important event for Logan.  But, she did say she wanted to talk about it later, which is also good.  I love that Logan introduces Rory to everyone as his girlfriend.  And, how proud he was of her for scoring an assignment.  And, it was fun seeing the two of them trapped listening to the most boring guest.

I don't think I could have written that storyline better if I tried.  Just wonderful.

Okay, will look over other posts and may comment on the rest of the episode, but I am just absolutely satisfied with Rory and Logan in this episode, as a couple and as individuals.

[rainbow]

And, bravo to Dani's review of the Rory-Logan storyline tonight.  I agree!

[dizB]

Welcome Rainbow, great comments.
Dani, also, great synopsis of the Rory Logan story.
I think now that Chris is in the Hollow, it will bring in some interesting situations with the townies. I do miss Michel and Sookie and even Kirk. So, I hope that can set up some comic situations. Up until now we've been dealing mostly with drama, to no fault of the writers who had to deal with it considering what the end of last season left them with. They had to deal with it with a lot of relationship dialogue and sad/dramatic scenes. I'll just be happy when we get to relax a little and watch Kirk make a fool of himself.

[Copperboom88]

I am uber duber excited!!!!!!!!!! I have to go get ready to watch it...ya know popcorn, soda, etc. etc.

[dragonfly010]

DANI-- You Like said exactly what i would say about the RORY/LOGAN story line. I Love anybody who agrees with me on the rory/logan relationship!!

[Dani257]

I see a some disagree with me on the Rory/Logan story, although some do agree with me.

I was a little surprised to find that Lorelai told Christopher beforehand that she had gone to the hospital.  I was expecting her to have mentioned it afterwards, and for Christopher to initially be upset but not to do anything drastic just be a bit cold and then later explain how he felt and be understanding.  And, I would expect Luke to have reacted the same way if the situation was reversed.  But, I still think Rory should have told both of them that she was mad.  If she was mad about not being there, that was a decision that both Lorelai and Christopher made to do it away from everyone.  Especially if Christopher and Rory are going to build a relationship she has to be willing to express her anger at him when it comes to a decision that was as much his as Lorelai's.

One more thing about Logan getting upset.  Imagine if Logan had inadvertantly (as Rory did) gave Rory the impression that he loved her despite the fact that she belonged to an oh so inferior social background. (Ignoring that her background and his aren't completely different) Or if he came to Stars Hollow acted like everyone was beneath him, and then told Rory "But, you're not like them."  I think Rory would be just as upset, especially with the "you're not like them" comment.

Um, would Lorelai really be able to fit into a shirt that was 22 or so years old?  This isn't the everlasting weight thing, just that people don't usually stay the same size from 16 to their mid to late 30's do they?

[Ggirlfan]

I thought this episode was good.  It was nice to finally see some Lorelai and Luke interaction again this season. I think Luke wasn't really thinking things through when he called Lorelai which is why she was the first person he called.  He was more concerned with April and knew Lorelai would know what to do.  It seemed so casual because they were adult enough to put their children first, before any issues  they had.  I also thought that it was great to see that Lorelai told Chris she was going to the hospital to see how April was and that she was going to see Luke.  It suprised me that Christopher seemed pretty cool about the whole thing.  Again, I think it was because they were adults putting children first.  

I agree with Dani about Rory and Logan. I know we mentioned their mature relationship in the Over 30 thread, and this episode is a perfect example.  They have great communication skills.  This episode where Logan knew it would be a big deal to Rory about the marriage, and made it clear he was there for her to vent no matter what.  It reminded me of the episode when Logan came back to Hartford and insisted he knew something was wrong and made Rory tell him how she felt when it came to the dinner with his new coworkers -especially Bobbi.

[Lauren is my idol]

ok so basically I CANT WATCH THE EPISODE because the STUPID BASKETBALL GAME is just starting on CHANNEL 5!! GRRRRRRRRRRRR and I was looking forwoard to this one!

[momofgilgirlsfan]

Hi, I am new to this message board.  My daughter and I love this show.  I am not sure I am posting under the correct thread but I have a couple of questions.

1.  I missed tonights show and I saw somewhere something mentioned that on the msg board you will trade or share episodes you have taped.  If this is accurate, how would I go about this?
2.  I saw someone wearing a Gilmore Girls t-shirt and I would love to get my daughter one - where do you get these?

Thanks for any help you can give me! 

I don't like Lorelai and Chris together either!