Balcony Buddies (Lorelai and Chris) - Genes don't lie

[gilmoregirl891]

haha yes exactly...
all her positives outweighed the flaw....

in spite of that, they were pefect together.... awwwwww (sad!)

[SIDNEY]

i think their downward spiral was a result of crappy writing...
it was doomed from the start, and thats what really annoyed me. they never had a chance from the start. she rushed over to him and basically from that point they were just on autopilot to splitsville.

and they lasted what like 40 days? from the time they were married.. what kind of effort is that?
They've been working up to this relationship for SEVEN whole years......and yet their relationship lasted a whole SEVEN seconds...
everyone knows they belong together- but yet the writers never even gave them a chance.
 
and then she has to go back to luke! ahhh he's so annoying- and just not right for her!

Actually Lorelai and Chris didn't want to have a relationship for just 7 years. It was for almost 20 years if not more! They never had a real chance as you said. It's not that they didn't love each other because i am sure they did deeply and probably will always do but the timing was never right. Even after they got married. Chris didn't give her enough time to get over Luke and i feel Lorelai just wanted to get married no matter who the guy was at that point. I think she wanted to be able to say yes when someone asks her "have you ever been married?". Why else would you explain the no-effort she put in their marriage. She was with Chris as his wife but she kept looking for ways to be around Luke. She didn't even want to move out of SH. I think because of Luke because she could have seen her friends still in the inn if that was the issue.
I don't think Lorelai loves Luke more than Chris but everyone has to have some time off after a break- up, that's the rule! I am sure if the situation was reversed she would have wanted to be with Chris! Just a feeling!

I think Amy wanted to portray Luke and Lorelai as meant to be but when they start dating they discover that they are not right for each other. that's what she hinted for in season 6 but in season 7 they changed the writer and he apparently is a Luke Rooter! I personally hated Luke since season 6 and i think they couldn't be more wrong for each other!

I think Lorelai and Chris are the ones who are meant to be. I believe they will end up together even if it took them 40 years to get there.

[cherilee13]

I have to say that I did like Christopher in some ways.  He was fun, romantic and did in someways love Lorelai.  Sometimes though I just felt that he (how do I say this?), I don't know, kinda just wanted her so Luke couldn't have her.  I know that isn't the whole reason, but I don't remember him trying to butt in when she was with Max or Jason. 

Lorelai did have fun with him (I know, dirty) and she felt more like Rory needed her father than she really loved him.  He was the first guy she was with and had a strong bond with him because they did had Rory.  I don't feel that they would have stayed together when they were younger if they never had Rory. 

I didn't like the way that Lorelai kind of went back to 16 when she was around Christopher and I think that is because that is where they were when they were last really together.  I also didn't like the way that he was trying to pull her back into the "Richard and Emily" world that she ran away from.  I know, he did have a lot of money and that was his world, but he kept wanting to do things that he knew she didn't want to do in that world. 

I feel that even if they did find a way to keep their marriage together, it still wouldn't have lasted much longer then it did.  No matter who was writing, directing or producing the show. 

Yes, Amy did a lot to keep Lorelai and Luke apart mainly by keep bring Christoper back into the picture, but I still think that she was going to get Lorelai and Luke back together in season 7 or season 8, which is what she really seemed to have wanted.  David Rosenthal really had a lot of work on his hands to try to clean up the mess that Amy left for him.  I don't think that it was because he didn't like Christopher  or liked Luke more that he didn't let the marriage last.  I think that there was always a feeling that season 7 could very well be the last season and knew that the majority of the fans really wanter Lorelai and Luke to be together.  IMO

[SIDNEY]

I have to say that I did like Christopher in some ways.  He was fun, romantic and did in someways love Lorelai.  Sometimes though I just felt that he (how do I say this?), I don't know, kinda just wanted her so Luke couldn't have her.  I know that isn't the whole reason, but I don't remember him trying to butt in when she was with Max or Jason.

I think Luke was the last thing on Chris's mind. Probably Luke had much thought about Chris than Chris did about him. I do believe Chris always loved and will love Lorelai. He only got his act together when MAX proposed to Lorelai. I think only then he realized that Lorelai won't wait for him forever.  As for why he didn't show up while Lorelai was with Jason, that's because he was married and has a kid.             

Lorelai did have fun with him (I know, dirty) and she felt more like Rory needed her father than she really loved him.  He was the first guy she was with and had a strong bond with him because they did had Rory.  I don't feel that they would have stayed together when they were younger if they never had Rory.

It is weird that you say that because having Rory is what broke them up in the first place. Lorelai left him and her parents house. What kept them in contact however may be Rory but she sure didn't keep them together, even in the first episode he appeared in, it was because of Rory that Lorelai didn't accept his proposal or didn't want to be with him because she was concerned about what that will do to Rory if it failed. I think Lorelai and Chris have a strong bond, stronger than the one she has with Luke, because Chris has known her since she was 6. He probably was the only one who know her all her time growing up and that's why it meant so much to her when he visited her inn and said that he was so proud of what she'd done and become.

I also didn't like the way that he was trying to pull her back into the "Richard and Emily" world that she ran away from.  I know, he did have a lot of money and that was his world, but he kept wanting to do things that he knew she didn't want to do in that world.

I have actually heard this point before and never got it. Chris doesn't like his parents life. He hates all these stupid parties and that silly world. He never wanted to go back to it, not alone bring Lorelai back to it. When he became rich, he was just having fun with the money. He said all he needed was a tv and stereo or something like that and offered the rest of the money to his daughters and Lorelai. He was just like a little kid who won some money or something. That hardly makes me one of Emily and Richard's world.

Yes, Amy did a lot to keep Lorelai and Luke apart mainly by keep bring Christoper back into the picture, but I still think that she was going to get Lorelai and Luke back together in season 7 or season 8, which is what she really seemed to have wanted.  David Rosenthal really had a lot of work on his hands to try to clean up the mess that Amy left for him.  I don't think that it was because he didn't like Christopher  or liked Luke more that he didn't let the marriage last.  I think that there was always a feeling that season 7 could very well be the last season and knew that the majority of the fans really wanter Lorelai and Luke to be together.  IMO

I personally think Amy wanted Lorelai to end up with Chris. She made the whole Luke/Lorelai thing as a form of destiny same as she did with Max in the beginning with the whole snow thing. But in season 6 she was practically yelling that it wasn't meant to be for Lorelai and Luke. And in the last couple of episodes in that season, she showed us how Lorelai got so jealous when Emily talked about setting Chris up with someone, Lorelai almost had a car accident hearing that and got so hostile. And in the final Amy also gave us signs of that when Lorelai and Chris talked about how they always have each other's back. And the whole shrink speech was about Luke.

And oh, in case yo haven't noticed, i am a Chris/Lorelai fan.  

[gg crazy]

Chris and lorelai r so right! Like everybody thinks luke and lorelai r right.

[cherilee13]

Sidney - I haven't forgotten you.  I will try to come on later when I have more time to discuse this.  Although I do like Christopher, I am a strong Lorelai/Luke fan so I really don't  think that we will ever see eye to eye.  We each have our own opinions about it all and that is good.  I'll be back as soon as I can.

[gg crazy]

Chris and lorelai have the best history he get her "bits" and they look good together they r perfect 4 each other!!!!

[pwrofluv]

that is true, but i like luke too. oh, idk which one is better.

[gg crazy]

Chris is better come on be on our side come on give in give in!!!!

[pwrofluv]

ahhh! peer pressure! run away!!!!!!!

[cherilee13]

I'm with pwrofluv, idk which I like better for Lorelai.  I really like Chris and I like the two of them together and they look so good together, but even in season seven the maturity wasn't there in Chris and he brought out the teenage Lorelai.  I like the mature (er) Lorelai.  Now I like Luke too but he is kind of dull, not spontaneous or romantic. 

[katie_lou]

I think that without ASP, and since they'd already pursued the Luke/Lorelai storyline, season 7 Chris got the short straw. In season 7 his character is diminished slightly through his jealousy towards Luke (I think pre-season 7 Chris would have moved on and been a bit more "well I have her now so what's the big deal?"). But as I've posted previously, DR was setting up Lorelai and Chris to fail in season 7 and to do that he had to make Chris less mature and less likeable.
I still prefer Chris to Luke though. I picture them having more kids, moving to a house just outside Stars Hollow (like the perfect house they could have bought in season 7 if only Lorelai would just COMPROMISE ON SOMETHING!!!!!! OMG - sorry I have issues regarding Lorelai's maturity sometimes) and him being fun and spontaneous and rarely grouchy and able to keep up with the season 2 banter I knew and loved. *sigh*

[SIDNEY]

I'm with pwrofluv, idk which I like better for Lorelai.  I really like Chris and I like the two of them together and they look so good together, but even in season seven the maturity wasn't there in Chris and he brought out the teenage Lorelai.  I like the mature (er) Lorelai.  Now I like Luke too but he is kind of dull, not spontaneous or romantic. 

Although i am not sure that i agree with you about this point but let's say he does bring out the teenage lorelai; you make it sound like a bad thing. Most people would kill to have someone around who reminds them of who they used to be before life troubled them. It's really not easy to find someone like that and if anything it only gives Chris extra points.

[cherilee13]

First off, again, I would like to say that I do like Chris  and I do think that he and Lorelai  were good together, to a point.  Chris was always immature in so many ways right from the beginning to the end.  And yes I will say that in some ways Lorelai was too. She was fun and kooky and at times she made me mad with things that she said and did because it was immature, but at the core she was a mature, responsible adult.  She new what had to be done and she did it.  I agree that, yeah, as you get older you want a little of that fun, carefree side to relive, trust me I so know about that, and I agree that Luke was never going to really be able to do that because he didn't know her in her teens and his teen years were troubled, but as an adult with responsibilities, you do have to come back to the real world and stay there most of the time.  The adult world.  Chris was in that carefree world the greater majority of the time.  Maybe not the teen world, but I'll give him somewhere in the twenties world.  Yeah, he had more responsibilities what with GiGi, but it was still there. 

I feel that no matter what we wanted to happen and what did happen, Gilmore Girls is just a show, a great show, where it was pretty much pre-destined right from the start that Lorelai and Luke would end up as more then just friends.  No matter who we thought would be better for Lorelai:  Luke, Chris, Max, Alex or maybe someone else who might have showed up in Season 8 if we were lucky enough to be given it, and no matter what ASP or DR finally gave us.  That was just were it was meant to go.  I feel that Amy was mad that she wasn't going to be given what she wanted and screwed up the show on purpose at the end of season 7, IMO, and David R had to try to pull it back together with not much time to do it.  Personally, I think he did a fairly good job with the show, but I don't think that he should have married Lorelai and Chris off.  I feel that it would have been better if they had come really close, but with Lorelai being strong enough to tell Chris no in Paris and then something bringing her and Luke back together earlier in the season.  Again, just my opinion and yes, Sidney, I know that you won't agree with any of this because we just don't agree when it comes to Chris, but that is okay.  The world would be very dull if everyone agreed with each other. 

Sorry about the rant and I do know that this is the Balcony Buddies (Lorelai and Chris) thread, but there you have it, my opinion.  Like it or not, agree with it or not, there it is. 

[thevoid99]

I haven't seen season 7 yet through the transcripts.  There was a lot of chemistry and romantic spontaneity between Lorelai and Christopher.  Yet, what it lacked was a serious committment and growth. 

I'm a Java Junkie.  Yet, I'm not going to say that Luke was better for Lorelai.

From what I saw in the first few seasons.  It was clear that there's a great history between Lorelai and Chris.  Chris is very playful, fun, and very spontaneous.  Yet, his flaws tend to outweigh what's good about him. 

Still, when Lorelai needed him for something.  He would be there but often for her, not Rory. 

I think was the reason why their relationship was doomed.  He tends to favor Lorelai over his own daughter and sometimes, would use Rory to be with Lorelai. 

When he did return in season 6 to make up for his absences.  I think he had a lot of good intentions and not be a threat to Lorelai's relationship with Luke.  Yet, when Lorelai broke down at Lane's wedding, he decided to step in and waited for Lorelai to go to him and basically took advantage of her emotions. 

He didn't regret it yet Lorelai decided to go to him after she and Luke called it quits.  It was fine for a while and fun yet, when he pressed her into marriage.  That's when things got troubling. 

The one thing you cannot bring into a relationship is baggage.  That's what Lorelai did, she brought the emotional baggage that is Luke which was still somewhere in her garage. 

Neither Lorelai and Christopher made any plans about what to do with their marriage.  The spontaneity of it all made things confusing.  Rory had a hard time dealing with it yet part of her wants to have that kind of fantasy of her parents being together.  The other part of Rory was probably upset that Lorelai didn't include her in the first place.

Then things got troubling because things were being thrown at them.  A bigger wedding, family plans, house renovations, and all sorts of things.  Chris was all ready but Lorelai hesitated.  Particularly the idea of more children. 

I think the problem that Lorelai has about Chris wanting is more children concerns more about his history of being a father.  With Rory, it's been sporadic.  Lorelai has often opened the door for him to be in Rory's life but he's come in and out often going to work and doing other things.  With Gigi, things seemed fine until Sherry left and he's got no one else to help him.  He called Lorelai making Rory uncomfortable.  Then, when he got a load of cash, he spoiled Gigi and things went into chaos to the point that Lorelai had to be the parent in season 7.  If they had another kid, it would be too much for Lorelai to handle.  She's got an inn to run, she has to do things with her parents, and be concerned about Rory's future. 

Finally, there was the character reference for Luke.  That was the nail that finally destroyed their marriage.  As much as Lorelai loved Christopher, the fact that Rory spoke very fondly about Luke and how much she meant to him, especially for birthdays and Xmas.  I think Lorelai remembered why she proposed to Luke in the first place.

As much as Chris wants to deny it, the letter she wrote for Luke was a poor reflection of how much Chris had missed in Rory's life and often putting Lorelai in front of Rory.  It also reflected that Chris' absences in Rory's life opened the door for Luke to be the father figure in her life.  Plus it showed that, despite the way Luke handled the end of his relationship with Lorelai, he was willing to put his own daughter before everything else.  Even if he had to fight for her to be in his life. 

It showed a poor reflection of Chris in the fact that Lorelai was still hung up on Luke and his actions ended up proving costly when he didn't show up immediately to the hospital when Richard got sick.  When he did show up, it was too late.  Luke, once again, was there for the entire family and he ended up acting like a whiny little bitch.  Thus, ending the marriage for good.

I think Chris is an important character needed for the entire story.  In Virtual Season 8, he showed a few times.  One when Rory calls him for an Xmas present she wanted to give to Gigi.  The other time was when he learned that Rory had quit her job and went to Lorelai hoping that he can get back on the road.  Yet, it proved that Chris still needs a lot to learn in dealing with Rory.  It's clear that if he wants to with Rory, he just needs to talk to her.  Luke is still there, but he's at least willing to sit in the sidelines.  Even when it comes to Lorelai.  At least Luke can say Chris' name while Chris calls Luke "Da Dina Duy!!!"