Lorelai & Rory Discussion

[lozman]

Lauren and Alexis look like they could be mother and daughter or sisters in real life. Don't you agree?

yes, i do completely agree they look so much a like...the same hair colour and everything and at first glance they look as though they would share the same genes, kudos to the casting team for 2 great actresses, who also look amazingly similar (and also very pretty i might add)!!

[Imy]

i love the chemistry between rory and lorelai in the early seasons they have the perfect mother-daughter relationship one that i'm sure any girl would love i know i would i certainly don't have that kinda relationship with my mum!!!!
they do look very similar however lauren has long face and alexis as a round face and lauren has more kinda olive skin and alexis has very pale skin! their're blue-eyed thing is very cool though!!!!

[Stars-n-Moons]

they have the perfect mother-daughter relationship

I don't know if I would go right to perfect, but they do share an awesome chemistry! 

[Imy]

when i sed perfect i meant in the early seasons after i'd say season3 they hit a rough patch and i dunno maybe it was rory suddenly becoming a rebellious teen rather than an angelic one!!!

[the_real_paul_anka]

i think that the realationship that rory and lor have is amazing. i wish i could be that close to my mom but i think it's because of ther small age gap...i swear i envy them. lol. i love how it's kept realiztic though with little...and big fights and arguments...idk.

[the girls4ever]

lorelai and rory have such an amazing and unique relationship. they are so close to each other, i love that! i'm close to my mom but not as much as lorelai and rory. when they have fights it shows they don't have a perfect mother/daughter relationship...every realtionship has their share of issues and disagreements. i love how they're there for each other and go back and forth with jokes.

[lessa]

It's easy to see the 'breakup' as a necessary evil in hindsight, but I didn't see the "all-bad" component of it, even then.

Rory has every right to consider not being a journalist or even dropping out of Yale. She's an adult, and even if she's making a mistake, how she feels about it must be the deciding factor.

Lorelai is Rory's mother, and when Rory was in trouble, she had to be a best-friend second.
The DAR and the LDB along with the life Lorelai ran away from is a part of Rory, and her desire to explore it was perfectly understandable, but as Rory's mother, Lorelai couldn't let it pass without telling her not to. When she realized that Rory was so determined to join that world that she would enlist her grandparents to prevent her mother stopping her, she did the only thing she could do- back off and let Rory figure it out on her own.

But it was hard and it hurt. She got engaged to Luke, knowing she couldn't marry him until it was right with Rory (how on Earth could Sookie not have figured that out?) as a kind of 'screw you, that's what happens when you don't want to hear what I have to say.' It seems a little harsh, but it's a poignant remider that, while in this instance she is a best friend second, she was still a best friend who was hurt by the betrayal.

Mothers of teenage daughters, I'm full of advice (or something.) If your adult or nearly adult daughter is flatly determined come hell or high water to make a mistake that you truly cannot accept, take a moment to figure out how you would treat your best friend under the same circumstances.

[magazine_gal]

This is referring to previous threads, where there’s been lots of criticism on Rori’s behavior towards Lorelai when she announces she’s leaving Yale…Seriously, either you are too young to ever stumble upon any problems or you were so lucky to always have an easy way with everything…unlike you guys, most of other people get into these sort of bumps on the road…Rori is not being a brat who’s never been criticized…What Mitcham (I cant spell it rite) told her was totally inappropriate and very harsh…he never gave her ay real assignment, she’s a kid, she just wanted to do a good job and not loose this opportunity…he never saw what she wrote, yet he told her she does not have it!!!

Plus he is such an authority in the business and she’s so eager to get in…I’d be devastated and I’ve been criticized like hell…pretty much like Lorelai, whose situation I can also relate to, because my family is similarly judgemental…

I think this show is so real and I cant wait to see what happens next…Unfortunatelly I moved to a country where they don’t have GG, but I ordered a complete 1-6 package and cant wait to see what happens next…

By the way, someone mentioned how Luke and Lore never hug and kiss…I also think the chemistry between them is lacking and that is the weakest link in this otherwise brilliant show!

[Dani257]

This is referring to previous threads, where there’s been lots of criticism on Rori’s behavior towards Lorelai when she announces she’s leaving Yale…Seriously, either you are too young to ever stumble upon any problems or you were so lucky to always have an easy way with everything…unlike you guys, most of other people get into these sort of bumps on the road…

Huh.  I'm going to ignore the "lovely" assertion that people who criticized Rory's behavior must be either too young or had it too easy in life.  Because you know, that description fits Rory to a T.  (tee?  Never know how to spell that).   Rory gets her first real setback on the road to her desired career, after smooth sailing.  Seriously, it's been as smooth as jazz.  As smooth as creamy peanut butter.  Up to now, the only bumps on this road have had the consistancy of marshmallows.  And, when she finally arrives at age 20 on a critique from someone who isn't trying to soften the blow, she caves.  People could go spelunking in Rory after that.

Plus, two things about Mitchum not reading Rory's writing.  A)  he did -that was stated in We've Got Magic to Do in season 6.  B) Since his critique of her had nothing to do with her writing, but very specifically with her lack of initiative (which they showed her not displaying), whether or not he read her writing had zip to do with the validity of his criticism of her.

[GG_no.1_Fan]

I think Rory needed a slap in the face. I never thought that Rory could be so rude to her mother that did so much for her.

[lessa]

Huh.  I'm going to ignore the "lovely" assertion that people who criticized Rory's behavior must be either too young or had it too easy in life.  Because you know, that description fits Rory to a T.  (tee?  Never know how to spell that).   Rory gets her first real setback on the road to her desired career, after smooth sailing.  Seriously, it's been as smooth as jazz.  As smooth as creamy peanut butter.  Up to now, the only bumps on this road have had the consistancy of marshmallows.  And, when she finally arrives at age 20 on a critique from someone who isn't trying to soften the blow, she caves.  People could go spelunking in Rory after that.

Plus, two things about Mitchum not reading Rory's writing.  A)  he did -that was stated in We've Got Magic to Do in season 6.  B) Since his critique of her had nothing to do with her writing, but very specifically with her lack of initiative (which they showed her not displaying), whether or not he read her writing had zip to do with the validity of his criticism of her.

Trust me, Calculus III is nothing like a marshmallow. The goal Rory set out to accomplish wasn't a simple one. It involved a buttload of doing work instead of something fun or easy, and there's no way in heck she would do it unless she really wanted it. I mean Paris-degree wanted it. An irrefutable omen that she would fall on her face as a journalist may have convinced her she didn't want to be a journalist for a while, but eventually she realized she was becoming a journalist for herself and not for her prospective readers and Mitch Huntzberger, let alone her mother and Richard.

If they had managed to force her back into Yale against her own better judgment, she might never have known what it was like not to be on a headlong bull rush to foreign correspondence. It's an experience every young adult should have at least once.

[Imy]

I think Rory needed a slap in the face. I never thought that Rory could be so rude to her mother that did so much for her.

I agree. She totally just lost her way and lost what I think makes her Rory. I know that Lorelai and Rory can be apart and still function and be themselves but I think that if they are angry at each other and are apart because they have had a big fall-out then it's just not healthy because they really do need each other. We see the breakdowns that Lorelai has in season6 e.g in 'Let me hear your balalaikas ring out' the writers use lorelai being upset about Paul Anka and twist it into her talking about the thing with her and Rory. Lorelai needs Rory to need her and I think that no matter how old you get you will always need your mother at certain times in your life. I love my mum but I just wish that we could have a relationship similar to the one Rory and Lorelai share but I guess considering the my parents have 5 kids then I can just keep wishing!

[bingbong]

I think Rory needed a slap in the face. I never thought that Rory could be so rude to her mother that did so much for her.

I agree. She totally just lost her way and lost what I think makes her Rory. I know that Lorelai and Rory can be apart and still function and be themselves but I think that if they are angry at each other and are apart because they have had a big fall-out then it's just not healthy because they really do need each other. We see the breakdowns that Lorelai has in season6 e.g in 'Let me hear your balalaikas ring out' the writers use lorelai being upset about Paul Anka and twist it into her talking about the thing with her and Rory. Lorelai needs Rory to need her and I think that no matter how old you get you will always need your mother at certain times in your life. I love my mum but I just wish that we could have a relationship similar to the one Rory and Lorelai share but I guess considering the my parents have 5 kids then I can just keep wishing!

Rory did lose her way badly but i thought the most interesting thing about her drop-out from Yale was that Lorelai took a hard line. L & R had their little squabbles before but nothing so serious and Lorelai took a tough stance, rightly so in my opinion. Lorelai made it clear that her house would not be available for Rory to just hang around while she squanders away her future. I have heard the viewpoint that Lorelai was too tough on Rory, but i think her decision was the right one. She was thinking clearly and Rory was not and Lorelai only had Rory's best interests in mind. From her view, allowing Rory to wallow in her house under those circumstances would have seemed like a way of condoning Rory's decision. I don't think this was tough-love by Lorelai, i think it was common sense. This reminds me of when Lane's secret life was discovered by Mrs. Kim. Lane wanted to continue living there and work out a compromise, but Mrs. Kim said she would not allow it in her house. Her house, her rules, and she could not compromise and abide by something she was strongly against. However, Mrs. Kim could not stop Lane from going off on her own and did not try; Lane was no longer just a kid. Similarly with Rory, Lorelai could not stop Rory from dropping out of Yale, as hard as she tried to. But she would not abide by the decision. Rory was maybe 20 at this point; she made this decision, she had to work it out. Lucky her, she had the pool house at her grandparents house to fall back on. And what exactly did she do during her drop-out period? Hang around and do nothing much. Romped with Logan, joined the DAR, not exactly a productive phase for her. As Imy said, Lorelai and Rory need each other and this was an extremely difficult phase of GG for fans to deal with. Their separation dragged on and on until Jess helped straighten out Rory's head and soon all was forgiven.

[SIDNEY]

Rory did lose her way badly but i thought the most interesting thing about her drop-out from Yale was that Lorelai took a hard line. L & R had their little squabbles before but nothing so serious and Lorelai took a tough stance, rightly so in my opinion. Lorelai made it clear that her house would not be available for Rory to just hang around while she squanders away her future. I have heard the viewpoint that Lorelai was too tough on Rory, but i think her decision was the right one. She was thinking clearly and Rory was not and Lorelai only had Rory's best interests in mind.

I think it wasn't really up to Lorelai to make a statement. It wasn't important. Because Rory did not even care what Lorelai thinks, she didn't try to compromise or explain herself . She already had another option; to go to her grandparents. She really didn't need Lorelai to approve to anything. I don't think she actually cared where to crash so long as there is a place to crash. Lorelai herself was surprised the way Rory went on her own to her grandparents. What Lorelai would think did not mean anything at this point (different from the younger Rory who "what Lorelai thinks means everything to her" as Dean once stated.... Funny how when Rory needed a warm shoulder to cry on, she went to her Grandparent's. I think she learned her lesson that her Grandparent's house is not a home.

I think the fact that Rory joined the DAR proves that she is an impressionable girl. I don't really mind the changes Rory went through, it made her unpredictable!

[bingbong]

I think it wasn't really up to Lorelai to make a statement. It wasn't important. Because Rory did not even care what Lorelai thinks, she didn't try to compromise or explain herself . She already had another option; to go to her grandparents. She really didn't need Lorelai to approve to anything. I don't think she actually cared where to crash so long as there is a place to crash. Lorelai herself was surprised the way Rory went on her own to her grandparents. What Lorelai would think did not mean anything at this point (different from the younger Rory who "what Lorelai thinks means everything to her" as Dean once stated.... Funny how when Rory needed a warm shoulder to cry on, she went to her Grandparent's. I think she learned her lesson that her Grandparent's house is not a home.

Although Rory had already made up her mind that she would drop-out when she unloaded the bomb on Lorelai, deep down i am sure Lorelai's feelings on the subject mattered to her. She did not want to hear the sense that Lorelai was speaking and rationalized to herself that it did not matter, but it did matter. She would have preferred going home to Star's Hollow and schlumping around while Lorelai showed sympathy. That would have been ideal from her point of view. In fact, that's pretty much how she presented it to Lorelai: I'm dropping out, need time to figure things out, and of course i'll do this in our house in Star's Hollow. She had not yet gone to E & R, but i suppose in the back of her mind she might have taken it for granted that she had them as a fall-back. It would have been interesting to see where she turned next if E & R did not offer their pool house to her. I suppose Logan would have been next on her list; although he wasn't comfortable with her drop-out either, he probably would have helped her out. About E & R's house not being a home, she was quite comfy-womfy there for many episodes in season 6. I thought it was bad form when she had the big fall-out with E & R and left abruptly without so much as a thank you note.