2.07 - Like Mother, Like Daughter

[Imy]

first time i saw the fashion show it was like lmao!!!! so funny and i also thought the other day when i watched this that i would never speak to my headteacher like that no cos its rude but cos my headteacher would take it as being rude!!! i thought this was a very odd one out episode cos it was so random but very cool!
i also love the name of this episode ASP is very good at making up eppy names!

[LauraLou]

does anyone know the name of the band rory was listening too
at the end where shes at the table reading her book then one of the ex puffs
comes to join her

[Dani257]

The band is Komeda and the song is "It's Alright, Baby" 

[LauraLou]

The band is Komeda and the song is "It's Alright, Baby" 

THANX BUNCHES
 

[cockerboom]

rory a loner??  no she's just quiet and independent.  oh poor lor, she has to walk down the runway w/ emily and they MATCH!!

[violaplayer1234]

Rory--Don't hate me for saying this, and I know it changes, but I partially agree with Charleston.  Yes, she wasn't a loner, she just liked to do her own thing at lunch.  But she had already been at that school for a year, and as Lorelai said towards the beginning of her time at Chilton, it would be good for her to make friends at the school she's going to be at for the next 3 years.  This is not to say she had to stop sitting and reading, which sounds quite nice, actually, but I believe that Rory needed to put herself on the line a bit more.  Just my opinion.  At the end when the other ex-Puff came and sat by her, I liked that. 

Lorelai--Well, coming from my own mother, who is not very involved with my schooling because I am the "easy" child, I kind of understood why she would not be involved.  I cannot see Lorelai getting into those sorts of things very easily, and although the fashion show was a success, I think that was because it was in the comfort of her own inn.  Had it been at some other place, some place she was not comfortable in, it might have been less of a good experiance for her.   

Luke--I loved the scene after the show in the diner where Lorelai talks to him about dating a Chilton mom and he's like "Yes, directions for the quickest way to Hartford, very romantic."  And Bert was back!

I really really like this episode, overall though.  Between the fashion show and Rory standing up to Charleston after the initiation...it will never get boring. 

1600 post!

[Dani257]

What is a loner, exactly?  If you're talking about a Kirk clone or a future Unibomber (am I showing my age?) then yeah, I agree Rory isn't a loner.  But, I think in a less critical sense, loner fits Rory at least at Chilton.  She preferred being alone, didn't try to get to know anyone.  Her friendship with Paris and acquaintances with Madeline and Louise came about through circumstance.  Having to work on projects together.  If loner is someone who doesn't actively seek out the company of others and enjoys their own company, I'd say Rory is a loner.

[Imy]

This was a great episode and I laughed sooooo hard the first time I saw emily and lorelai on the runway!!!

I can kinda sympathise with Rory in this episode because a couple of weeks ago it was the parent-teacher conferences thingy at my school and I went along and every single teacher except one said that I was quiet and that I should reach out more. But I didn't even know that I was being quiet and I don't feel like I need to reach out or join an extra-curricular club (they want me to do sports ugh!) and I think that they should have let Rory be herself and yeah to a certain extent maybe she should reach out a little more because she's an Ivy-League bound but she shouldn't be forced to change her personality.

hehe Grace-Bert is back!!! lol

[Dani257]

I don't know anything about Ivy Leagues, but would Rory eating by herself really be that much of a problem?  And, going by the transcript, it wasn't even Ivy Leagues, the guidance counselor just said a university.  I was a loner through almost all of college, except on the few occasions when others sought me out.  Ate lunch with my nose buried in a book, preferably at a table by myself (hard to come by) but if I had to share, yep, book in my face and sometimes an mp3 player.  I figure if colleges care so much about the high school students being loners, wouldn't they care once you got in school?  But, I don't know how high school works either.  I was homeschooled then, so maybe the fuss with Rory was realistic.  In elementary school, I got flack for reading on the playground.  But, I always figured that was because the teacher was a nun, and for the most part, they're evil.

[bingbong]

I think Rory received the attention because she is attending an exclusive private school. I attended public schools in a large city and that kind of attention was unheard-of; you just got lost in the crowd. Maybe on parent-teacher day the teachers would say if you were quiet or not, but that's all. Chilton is supposed to be one of the top prep schools in the country and the teachers & headmaster are thinking about their own reputation as much as Rory's well-being. If Rory exerts herself socially, it can help her future college prospects and reflects well on the school, that's how they are probably looking at it. And her grandparents are the esteemed Gilmores of Hartford and personal friends with the headmaster. But i did not see any problem with her keeping to herself, big deal. And at the end of the episode she was right back where she started, eating alone and reading and doing just fine.

[Dani257]

But i did not see any problem with her keeping to herself, big deal. And at the end of the episode she was right back where she started, eating alone and reading and doing just fine.

Yeah, because she gave an inspirational speech putting the evil administrator in his place.  Or, Rory was a brat and mouthed off to authority and got off.  The thing is, I agree with her general sentiment that her reading and spending time alone in school wasn't a problem.  I'm not for forced socialization, especially during "free" time (like lunch).  Who says because you spend a certain amount of hours mandated by the state (or whoever) with a group of people, that you have to hang out with them socially? And, Headmaster Charleston didn't know how Rory was outside of school -although she wasn't exactly a social butterfly, but that's okay, too.  And, she had joined the paper, which would have required her to interact with other people.  But, I didn't like that her defense came when he reprimanded them, rightly.  Yes, he told Rory she needed to socialize.  And, maybe if she would have mentioned those things in a regular meeting or conversation (maybe if she had been there when Lorelai met him) it would have come off better.  Just because Rory sat down at a random table that had Puffs didn't mean she was forced to join in the initiation.  And, I doubt someone as smart as Rory would honestly think that he meant interact with others to mean you have to do whatever they do.

[bingbong]

When Rory was moping about having to be more "social" it felt very real. As a teenager, you don't want to be forced into that situation. You just want to do your own thing. Sometimes it is "for your own good" as the wise elders like to say because they think they know best. But other times, you as a teenager really know what's best for yourself. I could see where Rory would push herself to make a social move, against her nature. I also wish her protest had come earlier, before she & the puff brats were busted. But at least she did finally speak up about it, better late than never.

This might sound like nit-picking, but wasn't Rory being disingenuous when the crew raided her house during the night for the kidnapping, and Paris was mortified that Rory looked so good, and Rory seemed to go along with Paris' assumption that she had been sleeping? In fact she was not sleeping, but was waiting for them. Of course Rory looked fresh and without bed hair: she had not even been in bed.

[lessa]

I thought they were exaggerating a little, but I didn't go to a private prep school. Of course, as of recent events at VA Tech, loners are a scourge, to be mingled with extreme prejudice. I figure Rory got off because she caught the Headmaster off-guard. After all, she didn't have to join a sorority to make friends, that was just the first table she tried.

[Dani257]

Go even farther back than  Virginia Tech.  Were the kids at Columbine loners?

But, that does bring up a good point.  I'm closer to Lorelai's age than Rory's, so school and what people are concerned about probably is different.  Still, I can't imagine Rory gave off a dangerous vibe.  Maybe if the counselor managed to catch a glimpse of violent poetry that she wrote while too wrapped up in listening to music to notice someone was looking over her shoulder.

But, why do colleges have a problem with loners?  (Or, I guess the ones where you need an actual recommendation to get in)  Or, with admitting them?  First, a major college is going to have too many enrollees (I made up a word, I think) for them all to become big, well known, success stories.  So, does it matter if the ones who just get a good education prefer spending time by themselves?  Second, out of the famous ones, was being social really vital?  I looked up a list of Yale alumni on Wikipedia.  (Probably should have gone with Harvard)  Really, do people talk about how Dr. Spock or Jodie Foster were big on the social scene at Yale?  Maybe they were, but couldn't they have had success in their fields if they weren't?

And, I criticize Rory a lot (and the same evil opinions I have still hold) but if I were in charge of admitting a student into a University, I wouldn't hesitate to admit her.  Maybe make her choose more appropriate and respectful ways of defending herself to authority, but that's all.  She was smart, hard working, talented, probably overly punctual after the deer incident, and by and large respectful.  And, her mouthing off irks me, but it was rare, because she only mouthed off when she was in trouble (which could bring on another rant, but for another time) and she was rarely in trouble.  Who cares if, between classes and the paper, she would spend time in the library?  Plus, just because a student is reserved in high school doesn't mean they won't be more outgoing in college. 

[gilmorefriend]

I loved the fasion show part! I replay that scene at least 7 times each time I watch it!