I've always failed to see why Lorelai proposing is such a big deal.   

Me neither. I'm actually glad that Lorelai mentioned the proposal to the psychologist in the car - that she said how Luke looked like the perfect guy to her at this moment. I remember all the talks we had back then about how it sounded a bit "like I'm depressed, let's get engaged so I can feel better". I'm so glad it's officialy cleared!

Exactly my point, Dani.

But I don't know, that scene effectively messed up LL's relationship even if they got back together because it's a pretty disturbing thing to cheat.  Pretty much irreversible damage in my opinion...

Actually, now I see it more as moving on, putting Luke behind her, more than cheating. I think it's really over for good. After this, it should be.

Even with the best intentions, Rory doesn't necessarily know what is best. She thought Lorelai would be happy with Max, and it didn't work out. Emily also wants Lorelai to be happy, and we've repeatedly seen that her efforts to achieve that usually have the opposite effect.
Besides, if anything, what came out of this episode is that Lorelai is NOT happy with Luke. Not anymore.

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At the end, Christopher says "I'll explain later."   I hope that is not an explanation that he eloped with Lorelai.  She wants to be married....
I really have not considered that as a possibility..Definately would add a different twist to the story if they did. 

But he said that it was "Aunt Lor"  not "Your step mom Lor"

Gigi is a four year-old that Chris needed to send off to school asap. He just said whatever was going to get her do that faster. I don't think there's anything hidden in that part of the scene.

And the problem is also that the postponing is undefinite - When Lorelai asked Luke if they could postpone the wedding until she and Rory made up, there was a foreseable end to the postponing. There isn't one now - it's postponed until... Luke digests that he has a daughter? Well, she's there, and like someone said upthread, she's always going to be there. And they have already started bonding big time during the field trip and the birthday party. He should just have got over it and moved on with his own life with Lorelai, while still seeing April a couple of times a week or whatever. What's the big deal?

Regarding the Ring issue, I really don't think it matters at this point. Lorelai is overcome by her feelings, and at this point the Ring is just a ring. She got it long after the proposal, she can take it off anytime now.

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I think it would be cool if we got a season of Christopher, Lorelai, and Rory (+Gigi) putting their family back together next season. I mean... how cool would it be if Rory had her parents back together! Also, we know Chris likes Logan, and Lorelai seems to be cool with him now. I think it could be a good ending to an amazing story.

SHUT UP YOU KNOW NOTHING!!!!

LUKE AND LORELAI 4EVER!

Totaly agree with you.  Plus don't you remember about rory talking to christopher about leaving Lorelai alone because she is happy with LUKE.  She(Rory) wants lor to be with Luke Not CHRIS

While I generally agree that the happy family ending just isn't plausible for one second, people are still entitled to a different opinion. Secondly, I don;t think the issue is about what Rory wants - it's about what Lorelai wants. She's the one who's going to live with Chris, Luke, or whoever they have her end up with!

[CHicago Tribune -]

Who the hell is that character that used to be Luke?! Luke would NEVER EVER treat Lorelai like that and to risk losing her...hell to lose her just so that he can think about something that he's been thinking about for a long time is stupid. HELLLOOOO he's a guy that has been in love with her for ages, would he really let her go just so that he can THINK...who is this guy?

And Lorelai, Lorelai would never sleep with Chris to hurt Luke. Hell she would never try to hurt the guy on perpuse. So to jump into bed with the one of her ex-es Luke is jealous of just cause he doesn't wanna marry her THAT SECONDE is just so hurtfull. And it's so not Lorelai.

And why did Rory go blond. That's so lame. Who was she suppose to look like?       

Like one of the press said:
CHicago Tribune - “I’ve been patient long enough,” Lorelai declares to Luke in the “Gilmore” season finale, and no doubt by this time next year, or earlier, fans of the show will be saying the same thing.

 

Word to all of this WhiteOnyx!! This episode was a bit of a show assassination... but then again I really wonder how they could have played it, given what we already had to endure in the past episodes - In light of all the April-absorbed Luke and silent-but-desperate Lorelai, it wouldn't have been realistic either to just have the characters snap back to their normal selves... I just can't make sense of the second half of this season, no matter how I spin it... *sad*

Well done, and don't be like that I'm sure it wasn't that bad - I hope. Don't answer that statement.

I won't, especially in the spree thread... Ha, another good news last was that the spoiler thing I saw by mistake in one of the episode thread wasn't anything major - so I could really enjoy not knowing what was going to happen until it did... Spree is really the way to be!!

[MikeinLA]

its a shame that we have to wait so long to find out wat really happens

For the first time in 5 years, I'm not grilling to find out.

MikeinLA, once again, I agree - for the most part. I think you're right about the cheating issue. Luke's bland response to Lorelai's passionate tirade just does it, her sleeping Christopher is the direct aftermath. On the other, I don't want to agree with your view of Luke "not being the man" - although I can't see any valid reason why he would be so deadpan and not go after her when she's visibly so upset.

Though the door to "we were on a break" is open for the *new* writers, it doesn't seem logical to take it, because for this kind of argument to happen, at least one person has to want to get back together, and we just established that they were through. Luke doesn't care enough anymore, Lorelai is disgusted by his indifference. Luke, here's a nice box of your spare caps out of the now bigger closet. Curtain.

As for Logan and Rory, this episode played out well for them, and it was nice that they straightened out Mitchum's character, who no longer has to appear like the horrible persecutor of Rory Gilmore. I guess the drama here is that Rory has to let Logan go for his own good. Yes, they are definately growing up. Sadly, it's been a while that regarding these two, frankly, my dear... you know the rest. I just wish Rory and Jess could have got back together at some point, but they ruled this out too on Jess's last appearance. So, let's recap: what's to look forward to again?    

[over]

The show is in midair, right over the shark. .

 

That's fun way of putting it...

The story line and character of April is a TERRIBLE idea. They need to have Luke deal with it and move on. If it drags out and turns into a mess, viewers will quit on it. It's a really dopey sope opera plot device, unworthy of this wonderful show.

If Luke and Lorelai get married up, THAT will be jumping the shark. The edge and tension will go out of the show, and if Lorelai turns up pregnant, I'm quitting on it myself

I'm not sure about all that. I don't think any of these plotlines are a problems in themselves, the problem comes from the way they're introduced and dealt with. The April plot for instance just came out of the blue, and wasn't backed up with enough explanations to my taste. Such as: why would April need to run a DNA test when Anna seemed to know it was Luke all along? And most importantly, the subject of Luke adjusting to April and letting himself be bullied by Anna was draggggggged endlessly for no understandable reaso, except that the writers didn't want to address it before the finale.

Hey guys,

Good news is: I think I'll still be a spree for season 7. The down side is - I'm really not that impatient to find out what happens next, especially with ASP gone... I have much fear! Can we go back in time, and pretend the show froze after "21..."? I think I will!

[Dani]

Wow, nothing spells season finale like 22 pages on the day after!

I'm back to non-plussed about last night's episode... I have to watch it again to make sure, but right now - seriously non plussed.
The troubadour plot looked like a very mildly successful attempt to recapture old Stars Hollow spirit. All in all, I just don't like those bloody troubadours. Oy with the troubadours already!

And more anti-gossip interference from Miss Patty? I don't know where this is coming from, or why they're doing it. Unless they have some ulterior motive for it? It's really bizarre.

That said, I thought that ASP & DP did the very best they could out of the shambles that were left from the previous episodes. Problem is: the damage may be beyond fixing. The episode unfolded very nicely - the friendly bonding between Lorelai and Chris at the dinner (by the way, I really liked how the elder Gilmores seem to have come to terms with Lorelai's choice of Luke - too late, unfortunately), the unwinding in the psychiatrist car, the confrontation... Then it ripped. It totally ripped!! Lorelai cried her gut out, and Luke just let her go? I just can't buy that!!! The ultimatum she gave wasn't a real ultimatum, it was a call for reassurance, a call for Luke to say he still cared deeply and to set a bloody date. And he just ignored it? Aye aye...
Then, Lorelai runs to Christopher. That I can understand. But she sleeps with him? Again, aye, aye!!! Why, ever? - Just to address the debate, I didn't want to think they slept together until the last minute when Chris took off his bathrobe and got into bed with her... After that there no choice but face the obvious. I see how one could try to twist it around and say that Lorelai was in fact dressed under the cover, and they just innocently lay close, all night long, with tequila, which they drunk - err, wrong episode... Seriously - I hope they don't take that road because it is so unrealistic! Chris's was a lover's embrace, no doubt about that.

Now some specific reactions:

Lorelai and the physchologist?  I hated, hated, hated that she said she didn't love Max and that she never really loved anyone until Luke.  Hmm, it's getting hot here.  All trying to shove that it was "meant to be" and destiny with Luke down my throat.  I would have believed it if she said she didn't love him enough, or the way he wanted.  The lady that was crying in bed over Max (it didn't originate with Luke) wasn't someone who didn't love the guy a little.  Oh, and what about Christopher?  She may not have wanted to marry him, but the lady who got upset enough to have Emily Gilmore come to her rescue in Haunted Leg had to have loved him somewhat.  Saying she didn't love anyone the way she loved Luke, I can buy.  I'm just glad that the subject of Max came up.

Dani, I disagree on that scene. At the moment she was speaking, Lorelai was all about *Luke* Luke, Luke, Luke. Perfect Luke, perfect life with perfect Luke slipping away. *Must convinced self that Luke is the one and everything will be allright in the end*. So, I think she revisited her own past in that direction and said that she never loved anyone before Luke. She at least loved Chris - That scene in haunted leg is one of the best of the whole series, it is really heart wrenching. As is the parting scene in I Can't Get Started, in fact. But Chris was her first love, her teenage love. So I guess she had come to terms with it ending - it's past her, and that's why she's dismissing it. Then, about Max. Well, she loved him - kind of, but not enough to marry him anyway. So it doesn't count. Thank God, we're spared any mention of the awful Digger! And so, really, there's only Luke to speak of.     
And notice that the response of the psychiatrist is not the expected reassurznce that Luke is *the one* - it's actually the opposite: a new version of "if he's going to bolt, then let him bolt".

She's going to jump up out of Christopher's bed, get dressed, give him a kiss, and prance out the door, head high. She'll get on with her life. She will NOT hook up permanently with Christopher.

There'll be more feuds with Emily and moments with Rory, who will also get on with life. Lorelai will make more jokes about Republicans (like the weapons of mass destruction and Clarence Thomas cracks), scritch Paul Anka, and attend town meetings. She isn't going to be quite as bubbly for awhile, but she's plucky and will go on. She is who she is.

If she encounters Luke, she won't be nasty or cold to him. If he even suggests they get together, she will refuse. If he grovels or begs, she'll tell him to grow a pair and get on with HIS life, too.

 
MikeInLA I am soooo with you on that one. Lorelai simply can't get back with Christopher. Not after WBB. I still don't get what the heck she's doing in his bed in the first place. But anyhow, that's done. And since it's done, I agree that it seals the coffin on the Luke/Lorelai relationship. It just does. Yes, a relationship may recover from one person's infidelity, but in that precise situation, I don't think it will - mainly because of Lorelai's strong view on cheating issues and specifically because of what it says about her feelings. She felt bad enough to put the whole relationship on jeopardy like that? She just didn't want to deal anymore, she's done. And on Luke's side, he was jaleous of Chris already, and his previous marriage technically ended because of his wife cheating on him. Did you say bad memory? At this point, Lorelai has to end up either single, or with someone we haven't met yet.   

[lukelorelaifanatic]

Word, lukelorelaifanatic!

Kitty, I just can't get around to that side of things. Luke is not exactly some guy Anna is becoming reacquainted with: he's April's father! They have had no contact for 13 years, it's true, but whose fault was that? If Anna wanted some kind of control over April's relationship with her father and her father's friends, she shouldn't have broken the ties in the first place. Both morally and legally, Anna has no more rights over April's education than Luke does. April is not her thing, she's a kid and she has two parents to look after her. Luke has done nothing that wasn't in April's or Anna's interest. Anna on the other hand kept April and Luke estranged from each other for thirteen years, which is a big deal, and wrong too. Honestly, she's lucky that neither Luke nor April seem to be holding a gruge against her for that.

As for Luke having changed, or not, I think Anna's first words when he showed up at her door step were:"you haven't changed". Besides, even in thirteen years, I don't believe people change that much. You may change jobs, or hairstyles, but deep down, the person's still the same.
I understand that parents are concerned with the safety of their children, and they should be, but there's only so much you can do before you cross the line of over-protectiveness and go beyond the line of safety-paranoïa. Living is taking risks, parents also have accept that and let their kids take - reasonable- risks. When you cross the road, chances are that you'll be run-over by a crazy driver. Is that enough reason stay home away from the roads? 

Thanks Aisling for the warning. But that is the reason why I never go to the episode threads. I stopped at the beginning of season 5, because they only were speaking about the promos, which I didn't want to know.

I'm getting over my unwanted spoiling little by little...
I guess I never really paid attention to these spoiler hasards in previous seasons, 'cause, well, I couldn't stay off the spoilers anyway! Vut this season, I have, I mostly have. Partly because things seamed to go seriously downhill after "twenty one is the loneliest number" so it was easy not to be impatient to know what was coming next - but in the past couple of weeks, I have re-gained my Gilmore love, so I was proud to be a good spree and to wait... Next week will still be full of surprises... Yeepie!!

Guys, what's an easter egg on a dvd?
  intrigued

Can anyone remind me what character Adam Hendershot plays exactly?

In GG he plays A.K. In "I Get A Sidekick Out Of You" he's the guy who tells Rory the time every five minutes or so. In VM he plays Butters Clemmons (I just lloked that up in the IMDb).

Right, thanks Fanny!
As a matter of fact I just watched last week's episode of Veronica Mars, and he is in it all right! That Veronica/Logan scene at the end just killed me!!! But it's brilliant thought. OK, that OT *sight*

[Emil]

This is what you said, Canuck

"The best ending the show has ever had! LOL!  Cheesy It was a perfect punchline to the marijuana storyline and to the general dizziness of the episode.

Did anyone else notice how the episode is titled 'Driving Miss Gilmore' when Emily is a 'Mrs Gilmore'? I personally think we should get rid of Mrs and Miss and stick to Ms - but that's for another forum ... x Kiss".

You do realize that the MISS Gilmore probably does not have to do with Emily, but with Lorelai. It is driving her insane, but, I won't say anything more in a "SPREE" thread. lol. Just think about it

I'd say the episode title is actually a reference to the movie "Driving Miss Daisy" (cf. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097239/) where Morgan Freeman's character is the driver of a mean old lady...

Other than that, Emil, you do realize that speaking rather obviously about spoilers without mentioning them pretty much amounts to the same. Seriously, you can discuss spoilers to your heart's content in the spoiler thread, just not here in a non spoiler thread!

About Emily bringing up Christopher in the car... while it was happening, I was like, "Oh no, not her meddling again.  " -- but in retrospect, I think maybe (maybe!) she was just trying to see, make sure, that Lorelei didnt still have feelings for Chris?  I mean - if she's buying her daughter and her fiance a new house, it'd be good to know that Lore's not secretly pining away for someone else.

kerrigwen, I was really thrown off track by Emily's bringing up Christopher. At first I thought she was trying to make Lorelai jaleous by mentioning his haing a life with someone else, in the hope that Lorelai would want to get back with him. But the house thing goes in the opposite direction - it is a loud and clear approval of Lorelai's marrying Luke. So I like your idea of Emily being in fact testing the ground.