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1  Episode Discussion / Season 6 / Re: 6.20 - Super Cool Party People on: April 30, 2006, 08:38:48 PM
I don't think Anna is jealous at all.  Not over Luke.  I don't think that's what they're trying to portray (and I'd feel cheated if it was.  There are enough triangles and two women don't have to fight over a man).  Jealous of Lorelai as a mother?  Maybe thinking Lorelai might usurp her spot as the most important woman in April's life?  I can buy that, and feel it would be an interesting angle.  We've seen it with Lorelai, in Kill Me Now, when Lorelai picked a fight with Rory because she was jealous over how good a time Rory had at the country club with Richard. 

And, if Anna is afraid that Lorelai might become a mother figure, than the potential for greater hurt if she isn't there anymore than if a friend leaves or an acquaintance.  Yes, Anna is taking it too far -actual family members leave or die.  But, I don't think Anna is completely off the wall and her reaction makes no sense. It's just exaggerated to an extreme.

The only way I could actually make sense of it is that Anna is jealous of Lorelai.. the sorta other woman thing... Its sorta like when Christopher said to Luke something along the lines of I'll always have a connection with Lorelai, cause I'm the father of her child.. implying how Luke was just the current boyfriend.. It almost seemed like Anna was doing the same thing to Luke.  Undermineing their whole relationship.  I can understand that April could possibly get attached to Lorelai... but attachments occur and in some cases like death or people moving away, or relationships breaking up have to be de-attached.  You cant protect your child from everythng.  I hope this whole stuff gets sorted out promptly.

I agree with Nikki and Dani257 about the show dragging out.. WE JUST WANT SOME HAPPY PROGRESS !!  Just give us an inch!
2  Episode Discussion / Season 2 / Re: 2.21 - Lorelai's Graduation Day on: April 30, 2006, 08:26:31 PM
It was so completely unpredictable that Rory cut school!  You could tell that she was upset about how the town had put the blame on Jess, so Jess had it hard.  You can also tell that he was interested in chatting with him and they had alot of stuff they could talk about.  What with Jess calling up like that.. and her having the sparks of a crush on him... of course she wanted to talk/see him...But Rory Gilmore cutting school... True, it was a bad day seeing as it was Lorelai's graduation day.. but from what I could see, she thought and should have had plenty of time to make it up and back in time.  Not making it back in time was completely unpredictable and so completely not something that Rory can be blamed for!  But that could just be my protectiveness over Rory Smiley
3  Episode Discussion / Season 2 / Re: 2.15 - Lost and Found on: April 30, 2006, 08:20:25 PM
Hey!

Sorry, but how was Jess supposed to know that?  *frown*
Itīs not like itīs written onto the bracelett or anything. And I just canīt picture Rory telling him.
I donīt want to repeat anything from my posts on the first page of this topic but, boy do I disagree with you!
No offense though. You know, live and let live Wink !

Katrin

I agree here... How was Jess supposed to know that the bracelett was given by Dean?  I didn't exactly know so until this episode!  He knew that Rory had dropped it.. he dind't exactly steal it.. but he probs kept it as a keepsake of Rory whom he had a crush on... nothing really more than that.. I think when he realised how much she was freaking out about looseing it and the fact that it was Deans... that's when he wanted to give it back.  Why would he want to keep something that was Deans?  ewww..   He didn't like Dean.  He liked Rory. 
4  Episode Discussion / Season 2 / Re: 2.22 - I Can't Get Started on: April 30, 2006, 08:15:05 PM
I loved the potenital love story here between Lorelai and Christopher... Up to the bit where Sherry called, it woudl have been one of my faouvite episodes.. I mean to have the family happily reunited together...  It was just so sad to have Sherry call... just like that.. it was just all gone.
5  Episode Discussion / Season 2 / Re: 2.12 - Richard in Stars Hollow on: April 30, 2006, 08:11:03 PM
I felt bad for Richard though. Nobody in his family didn't want him near them must of felt very lonely.

I'd have more sympathy for Richard if he didn't gloss over Lorelai's justified anger at him to whine poor me.  Yeah, okay, it's sad Emily needed some time away from him, but Lorelai put up with him treating her like a child.  I don't think that was part of the deal of spending time with him.  He talked about her eating choices in public.  The woman is in her mid 30's.  If she wants to order a plate of syrup with extra sugar and eat that for breakfast, she's got a right.  I mean, Luke might give her some grief about her eating, but in the end he gives her what she orders, and it never comes across as Daddy getting the 5 year old to eat healthy.  Then, he criticizes her in her place of business in front of her employees.  Way to undermine your daughter's authority.  And, he's a businessman and should know better.  He doesn't agree with her tactics?  It's not any of his business, but if he just can't keep his big mouth shut, he'd be better to talk to her quietly later.  Although, I would have wanted to punch him regardless of when he said it.  Add to that his comment on her clothes.  Would he have said those things to the manager of another inn?  I think his behavior to her at the inn was the most inexcusable.  But, Lorelai takes it with the patience of a saint until he jumps in and overrides her judgement as a parent.  After constant criticism and being treated like a child, she snaps, she tells him that she's Rory's parent, not him, she makes the rules.  Does any of that go through his thick skull?  Does he stop to consider that he's been ragging on her all day?  No, he just gives her a snotty comment about constructive criticism and turns it all around into a woe is me, no one wuvs me fest.  And, Lorelai ends the episode feeling bad because she had the nerve to speak up for herself.  And, he wonders why she never invited him to spend the day with her.

My favorite part of the episode was Lorelai declaring, "I am Jo."


I'm pretty sure a lot of parents give advise when its not asked for.. With a father whose gone through the transition from fully time employment to retirement... I've noticed that my father certainly had a lot more time simply for *ehem* fatherly advise....ok plain out unwanted, un asked for information....criticism..  It just happens... When does a parent stop giviing advise to their offspring?  I agree that Lorelai's torelance in this episode was close to saintly for her... Her willingness to comply to her father's advise was simply her willingness to comply.  She could have simply said "Well, the grapefruit may be nice for you dad, but I'm fine without it" blahblah blah.. I mean Lorelai isn't one to be shy of words, or afraid to stand up to her parents..  She pretty much defied them all her life...   In the end she did snap.. and I dont think that that was very respectful towards a parent, or considerate of Richard in his current situation.  She knew he was not happy.  He was adjusting to his new pace in life, his new social-ecconomic situation and status etc  I felt sorry for Richard here.
6  Episode Discussion / Season 2 / Re: 2.20 - Help Wanted on: April 30, 2006, 08:01:12 PM
Oh my goodness.  I just happened to turn to this episode on ABC family, and came in on the Rory/Lorelai argument.  And, shock of all shocks, Rory gets upset about everyone treating her like a mindless idiot being led by a boy!  She wants to take her share of responsibility for the accident.  She's not willing to say that it's all Jess' fault.  It makes Lorelai's own eagerness to lay all the blame on Jess much easier to take, because it comes across as a mother's unwillingness to see anything wrong with her child, a real flaw.  It doesn't come across as Rory is a princess.  Even the town falling in line, while more annoying is aleviated by Rory saying she's not a puppet and she's not being led around by boys.  Very interesting in light of some Logan criticisms.

Would the Rory of today say the same things?  Especially considering that she's actively made some worse decisions now, than this episode, which was really an accident?

I think this was just classical of Rory wanting to do the right thing, and wanting to share the blame.  It was her car.  She did say to do  another right turn.  But then again Jess was driveing.  He was 'in charge of the vehicle' as such.  All in all it was still an accident that could have happened to anyone..  She was just shocked that the whole town had just outsed Jess some more.  It was the town putting Jess' rep ahead of how the accident actually panned out which was unfair.  It was just another thing that Jess didn't really need to be hated for.  He didn't deserve the full responsiblity...  On another note,  I dont think Lorelai was just blameing Jess because of the whole mother's unwillingness to see anything wrong with her child.  Its also whom else is there that could be responsible.. and as with the majority of the town... Jess had the rep of being bad... 

The Rory of today has a hell of alot more knowledge, experience and hopefully with that wisdom... Would we all make the same decisions that we have made in the past?
7  Episode Discussion / Season 2 / Re: 2.16 - There's the Rub on: April 30, 2006, 07:48:47 PM
I was so happy to see Lorelai and Emily hit off after they escape the spa and go out for dinner and are starting to have fun.. I can see how someone like Emily would be guilty after being 60-40ed .. dancing closely with a gentleman caller whilst your husband isn't around sorta thing...  But it was just so sad to see it all get taken out on Lorelai and for that distance between them to still be evident.. I wish there would just be one happy day that they are both together.... enjoying their time together..
8  Episode Discussion / Season 2 / Re: 2.19 - Teach Me Tonight on: April 30, 2006, 07:38:09 PM
Not that Luke wasn't in his right to react the way he did to her.  To me, their fight struck me as one of the most honest displays of emotion from two people on opposites sides of an argument.

I agree with the whole honest dispalys of emotion from 2 ppl on opposite sides of an argument.  Both of them were simply protecting their young charges.  You could see how Luke would react, as the whole town is already out to get Jess. In addition to that, Jess did what most people would do when they see a little furry animal jump out onto the road... he swerved to miss it... he didn't acutally set out to do anything wrong.... he wasn't misbehaving or fooling around or anything like that..

In contrast, you could see that Lorelai was really shocked because she had just gotten a call from Rory, who was meant to be in Luke's diner tutoring...yet she was in hospital.  Her daughter had just been in a car accident. Her only daughter and her best friend.  She was in shock.  Jess had a bad rep.  All around town it was known that Jess was bad news..mischief, fights, lies, stealing... Lorelai had already seen Jess in lots of bad limelights.--beer from the fridge, the necklace..  She would have put 2 + 2 together...   It sorta showed Lorelai's sorta single mum over-protectiveness of Rory thing....
9  Episode Discussion / Season 2 / Re: 2.13 - A-Tisket, A-Tasket on: April 30, 2006, 07:29:21 PM
The whole basket thing is pretty cute...I think it was sad Dean didn't have the money to buy Rory's basket.... but paying $100.00 for something that Rory/Lorelai Gilmore made ? INSANE!!!  Dean should have known that Rory is a huge stickler to Rules.  She wouldn't have just said no, I wont go have the picnic to the person who won the bid.. Thats the rules!  I wonder if there was a rule against Dean going aswell though... I mean he seems to be ok in the chaperone position of warding off all Rory admirers...  What turned out was more interesting and eventful though, so no complaints Smiley
10  Episode Discussion / Season 2 / Re: 2.11 - Secrets and Loans on: April 30, 2006, 07:18:06 PM
She got mad because Rory disobeyed her.  Lorelai is the parent, and it's not up to her 16 year old daughter to take matters into her own hand and disobey a direct order.  Don't bring Emily into it.  Simple.  She was also upset because asking Emily for help isn't a simple thing.  It always winds up with Lorelai owing her something.

This is one of my favorite episodes because of the fight.  It was a very realistic one.  GG does a good job with fights.  It also was a good episode because it addressed the problems that can happen with the whole daughter/best friend arrangement.  Sometimes, Rory doesn't understand boundaries.  She doesn't know when it's time for her to be the daughter and obey the rules.

Lorelai getting angry at Rory was really sad to see.  I can see how as a mother, you'd get upset if your daughter ignores something you've totally outlined not to do.  I can see where she's comming from that she didn't want to ask something else off Emily because requests from Emily usually require some other sort of payment.. emotional or friday nights for the rest of your life sorta thing...  I get what you're saying regardint hte problems that occur when the mother/daughter has a best friend sort of relationship...
But I dont think Rory did the wrong thing here.  I think Lorelai was actually being too proud for her own good.  I'm not too familiar with termite damage.. but what Kirk said kinda seemed like the house could cave in at any given time... that said.. they'd loose pretty much everything they owned.. including the roof over their heads.  Lorelai was making it out to seem so dangerous and scary to the banks whom she coudnl't get loans off... What I"m trying to say is.. the termite problem seemed like a big one, yet Lorelai was not doing everything she could to ensure she could solve it quickly and promptly.  It was almost like she valued Rory's education -- going to her parents for Chilton over their safety & wellbeing -- a house not crumbling on top of you whilst you are sleeping.  Perhaps Rory went against something that Lorelai set out, but in alot of cases, Rory is more pragmatic than Lorelai... and I think this was an example of Rory placing their livelihood over pride.  In the end, Emily was still required to counter sign the loan.  Emily woudn't have been there to do it if Rory hadn't told her.   
11  Episode Discussion / Season 2 / Re: 2.03 - Red Light on the Wedding Night on: April 30, 2006, 07:07:28 PM
You're right.. I dont think Lorelai just loved Max as a friend... I mean how many sexual inuendos did she make re him takeing her upstairs all the time... that's not a friendship thing..  But I'm not so sure about love either... There definately wasn't the magic fairlytale love thing between them........that I totally agree that this episode was bringing up.  ---The Cinderellla type of love where you fall in love and practically live happily ever after...with infinite happy happy joy joys.... well not exactly but, i hope you get my point. I agree that not all romance or love is that dependent and reliant on the other partner and I totally agree that marriages could still work without that and I guess that Lorelai could have learnt to love Max more through the course of a marriage.. ie how arranged marriages work and such...  but I guess it just hasn't got as much of a selling point than the magical type Smiley

I'm starting to see the chemistry that  you see in Christoper Smiley
12  Episode Discussion / Season 2 / Re: 2.10 - The Bracebridge Dinner on: April 30, 2006, 06:58:02 PM
Its kinda cute how Jess is already protective-ish over Rory... I mean axeing the 1st place snowman so that Rory's would have a better chance at winning... not that we know it was Jess for sure... but..
13  Episode Discussion / Season 2 / Re: 2.07 - Like Mother, Like Daughter on: April 30, 2006, 06:55:46 PM
I didn't even notice that Rory was a kinda loner at Chilton... sure I noticed she didn't have much.. many.. any friends... but to sit at lunch time and read a book and listen to a cd player when you're surrounded by other people... that did kinda look sad and solitudary.

I agree that it was great to see Rory stand up to the headmaster when they all got into trouble regarding the Puffs, because she would have felt forced to have be with other people because of what he said.. but he didn't exactly say "break into my room" etc so it seemed odd she didn't get any visible punishment... I'm sure my high school would have if I was in a similar situation....

It was great how Rory got a fellow reader on her table after though Smiley
14  Episode Discussion / Season 2 / Re: 2.06 - Presenting Lorelai Gilmore on: April 30, 2006, 06:47:39 PM
I love the contrast between Rory's coming out and Lorelai's coming out.  Rory is the granddaughter Richard and Emily never had, and you see that here, the sense that Rory is a Lorelai do-over (symbolic even in her name!)  Richard and Emily are always trying to redeem themselves for the mess the think they made of Lorelai, never mind the irony in the fact she raised a Rory.

I'm not sure I like it... I think its quite sad for Lorelai... She'd feel like "the one who didn't work out" compared to Rory... To Emily and Richard, its like Rory is the 2nd chance Lorelai.... the second chance to get the Lorelai they wanted.  It would just be awful to be in Lorelai's position....  to feel that you never lived up to the parents expectations.. but hey...  they're taking over my daughter now to have another go.
15  Episode Discussion / Season 2 / Re: 2.05 - Nick and Nora, Sid and Nancy on: April 30, 2006, 06:37:01 PM
I loved the part where Luke pushed Jess into the Lake it was hilarious. The bit at the end where Rory and Jess were talking was sweet. Does anyone else think Jess looked really hot in that grey top in the bit where Luke pushes him in the Lake? It's also funny that Stars Hollow High says the plege of allegence in 6 different languages. (sorry about the spelling Sad)

I think from the scene where Luke meets Jess at Stars Hollow High and is in that COMPLETELY hot grey top is when I started to go... hey... Jess actually is pretty hot.. Unfortunately I said that out loud whilst watching GG with my boyfriend...  We both recovered from our different states of joy re Jess' body when Luke pushed him into the lake and we both cracked up laughing though Smiley  Those were my two favourite things in this episode... Jess in the top... and luke pushing Jess into the lake.
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